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good evening everyone and welcome to

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Mack Maloney's mill tracks I'll show

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here on the distant Thunder radio

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network this is Mack Maloney we have a

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very big shoe for you tonight but let me

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introduce the posse okay sorry girls no

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Juan Juan again tonight he's out on a

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secret mission I can hear the size and

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then cries all over the state if not the

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entire country no one won tonight but

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we'll try to make up for it though

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they're big shoes to fill let's say

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sitting in for him however in the studio

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a brand new studio up here in Exeter New

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Hampshire

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Alwyn Aldo UFO mechanic Alwyn now though

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is here good evening wreck and also on

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the phone line from his undisclosed

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location I believe the very famous KOCO

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is here commander Cobra in the howdini

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gentlemen okay okay everything okay with

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you there Co up and I should explain

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that Juan Juan is still visit on his own

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secret mission so secretly you won't

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even tell us what it does that's correct

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so I'm a little scary yeah very scary

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actually but you know when he comes back

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I'm sure I know why he's been gone the

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Patriots have been doing all not that I

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follow the sport but his absence says

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maybe he's supporting that that effort

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with mr. Brady his I don't well tis I

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don't wanna think isn't quit you know

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his settle is about 10% ago what should

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we call him is maybe that's another show

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but he his his I'd always precious its

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his precious he's kind of like Gollum

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when you start talking about Brady his

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precious that's the word I was going for

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alright thank you anyway yeah when he

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comes back I'm sure he'll have a

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detailed account

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of his secret mission and where he was

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all this time but anyway we plow on so

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the interesting show tonight we're going

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to be talking to mock Dan Antonio who we

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caught up with at the Leominster UFO

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conference in the fall

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that's correction there sir that is the

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Greater New England UFO conference all

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right okay in Leominster okay it's very

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important we get that right that's right

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really just I guess I missed the memo on

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that or I forgot I read it anyway so we

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met him there and he did this fast and

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he's an interesting guy he does a whole

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bunch of things as bio was great in fact

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that code were you could probably tell

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people his bio better than me but he did

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this presentation where he's like a

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professor I'm college professor and he

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took what looked like a roll of toilet

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paper but it wasn't it was just a roll

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of paper and he started at one end of

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this sizeable auditorium and he walked

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his way around the entire auditorium and

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stopping at places in this roll of paper

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very important points and let's say

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evolution okay so and and he went all

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the way around the auditorium all the

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way around and then when he got to the

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end he said and this little piece is how

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long humans have been around yeah thank

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had a visualization of how we have not

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been on this planet more than like a few

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milliseconds compared everything else

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you know how much destruction we've

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caused yeah right it's a very little

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time to really screw it up but very good

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presentation good guy how did you meet

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him cope he heard on my on my show he he

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popped into my show what's the name of

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the show go ahead uh it's a task force

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Griffin with commander Cobra and he

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popped in on that show when we started

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to chit chat and then he has a YouTube

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channel where he does kind of I would

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knock I say deep space but where some

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folks will look at just like the evening

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sky and look for the the aerial

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phenomenon right whatever that is then

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you have other folks that look like at

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near items sort of the the moon and some

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of the the things that are close by he

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actually is an astronomer

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by trade and he has an observatory and

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then he'll go on and I'll have a show

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where they'll discuss what's happening

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in the sky and they'll look at things

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like crab nebulas and things like that

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that he can see that night no it's

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beautiful the imagery that comes up on

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his YouTube channel and then folks can

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talk in the chatroom well he's had me on

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it's kind of like a side commentary

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guest where he does this with folks and

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you're kind of just chit-chatting and

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you're looking at the the the stars and

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the skies and and the the near heavenly

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bodies so to speak and he's he's very

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very very smart and he's also very

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entertaining he can heat a lot of

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information out in a way that you just

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you know it's easy to understand he's

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got a really fun guy he's also quite a

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quite a model maker he has a small

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business that he makes scale very

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detailed models that have been used in

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movies and they've been used for

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research he's a very interesting

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character uh-huh

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now they have a feeling that Cobras

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asking for a raise I don't there's a lot

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going on there

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or you might jump you know I have my own

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show because of Mack which got a tribute

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underneath oh really yeah from what kind

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of a tribute I was asked in this

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business guests thought I was very

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polished and then in the Swazi gets dirt

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and I said well I got stirred because of

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my writer friend and broadcaster Mack

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Maloney and I I don't think I've ever

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been called polish now never ever

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polishing but I've never called polish

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but not polished ornamental documents

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they say complexion medium now I want to

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know what that yeah definition of medium

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well you know what I'm not quite as a

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white white you know so which is fine

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you know I've been called worse

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trust me so but yeah medium really the

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blue eyes just was that on your birth

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certificate do you know weapons oh I

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can't confirm it so no I

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okay well those type of things I hate to

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say it but these days skin color is very

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important the most

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yikes what the I guess I would be a fair

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anticipate I would be Fiat - I think

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yeah I think the Sicilian yeah I've got

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a quarter Sicilian blood in me but it

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obviously didn't make it to the skin

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tone no okay Wow alright was lucky it

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did but because I had to lay in the Sun

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yeah right yeah yeah in the summer it

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did works over ice Irish guys we give me

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one we have with on Bravo's on our heads

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get you close to a light bulb yeah

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you're in trouble anyway well okay that

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was interesting so one you gave me a

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shout out of Newsies is that what you're

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saying oh yeah very well received and

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talked about Barbara with and mr.

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Stanley and mr. shrapp some of the

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guests that have been on both our shows

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in some cases so it was a it was a kind

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of a surprise show I was no I actually

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good was able to tape it during the week

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and it got thrown up and I was able to

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sit in the chat room and I guess the

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best part was mrs. Cobra got to listen

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to the show and I was sitting next to

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her and she went to bed early after 45

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minutes and said this doesn't make very

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much sense to me and all right

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everyone's a critic I guess so you know

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it's successful if the wife doesn't get

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it yeah statement like that so anyway

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okay Cobra so putting wives to sleep

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so anyway so what Mike will be on in a

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little while and then we're gonna be

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talking to switchblade and Emily em

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they're gonna do a special presentation

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tonight they went down back down to

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Mothman Point Pleasant West Virginia

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where people who have been following

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this for the past year we've talked a

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lot about Mothman and I'll have them go

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through the brief history of it but you

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know just a lot of weird events

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happening down the small town in West

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Virginia Rhett across the river from

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Ohio people seeing this huge flying

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humanoid thing

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crazy story lots of witnesses lots of

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really good solid evidence that

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something very strange is going on down

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there and then kind of at the tail end

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of this whole year or so of these weird

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things happening a bridge between West

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Virginia and Ohio collapse 43 people

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were killed okay

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and a lot of people just thought wow

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this is it's connected you know because

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everything had been so strange people

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had seen look like kind of government

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agents on the bridge the night before

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people would spot Mothman on top of it

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Richard

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what's his name did a great movie

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Richard Gere yeah I mean a really pretty

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good movie you know so anyway they've

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they read they had a ceremony to all of

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the 50 years since the bridge collapsed

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and em and switch went down to it so

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they can report on that and talk to

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people who are on the bridge and stuff

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like that so I mean switch also I mean

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they both that kind of read rose to the

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level of subject matter experts on the

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on that event and the subsequent

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research around it didn't switch give

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her presentations was in yep the last

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time they had the Mothman festival down

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there which is quickly growing into like

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the coolest festival apparently because

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they say it's it's not all these kind of

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you know lectures and stuff like this

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they have bands they have like food

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courts and all this stuff they have lots

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of stuff that you can go into and a lot

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of these businesses down there have some

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kind of Mothman connection laughs me and

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ice cream and stuff like that and they

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had like 10,000 people down there last

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time you know and we were strike to

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switch but there we couldn't like about

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three or four but people really liked it

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so we would love to do the show down

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there we get the Winnebago one to go

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down so anyway so anything new we do

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there Kobe I know just been enjoying the

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the seasonal temperatures here of the

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going on territories it's been a really

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sporty couple of weeks with that the

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baby goats are doing very well the baby

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goes okay all right they've been on the

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bottle for a while

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that's been a lot more successful okay

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okay they've been doing well they're

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doing well how many of them we have to

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that are with us all the time and I

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really think about my it's our friend

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that actually raises them so I'm gonna

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chip in and with a couple other folks

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we're gonna get these goats cable TV or

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jigsaw puzzles because you're not

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supposed to be having babies in the

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winter to get these kids on to something

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else down there no pun intended

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what's he talking about must be having

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the babies in the winter suppose we have

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the babies in the spring so we what is

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the gestation period for a baby go

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I believe it's uh police around the

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neighborhood of two to three months it's

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about a ninety two and ninety nine what

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the goats are doing three months ago

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yeah I know what they had they all say

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that's right exactly so what I'm meaning

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is we're gonna get some kind of the

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diversion going on in their lives but

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Cathy has mrs. Cobra has delivered three

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sets of babies almost every two weeks

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since November what the clothes have a

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party in September or something boy you

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better talk to the male goats here they

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they might be out of breath keeping

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awful busy maybe stir cold yeah okay

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interesting well we'll do that we would

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learn about goats having on our being

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fooled into not having sex I mean that's

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a lawsuit something else

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so Cobra okay so we should tell people

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that up here in New England during this

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time period in which were we cool in the

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show it snowed about six inches on

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Christmas Day okay and now we're early

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into January and the temperature has not

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gone I think over a 24 or something and

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it's been in the single digits for

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almost the past two weeks yeah you can

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double that night too for my my snowfall

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up here Wow last year we didn't have

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this kind of weather is kind of more of

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warm and rain and stuff like that but

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yeah we go waving on global warming yes

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right yeah I'm blaming something but and

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I had to in in the wind wasn't blowing

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very well on that Christmas Day storm

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because you know as you know al is my

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neighbor in when

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have a real storm the snow doesn't blow

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onto my driveway it just blows right

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across the street on the other Drive

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with his attends as long as it's windy

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no matter how much snow we get you can

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walk out with a brush but maybe if he

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even needs a brush yeah just clean the

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windows of his cars I have a six-foot

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drift on the end of my driveway and he's

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sitting in his window looking out at me

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wavin not weather with a fine Scotch in

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his hand right now no I mean he you know

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we have gravel driveways because they

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won't allow pavement unless the island

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that we love so you try first of all you

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take a snowblower out there good luck to

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you that's like shrapnel yeah it's like

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a machine gun and and I look out there

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and I'm out there fighting

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there's snow blower and he's got nothing

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I mean nothing but I'm not at the window

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waving at you because it pains me to see

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other people at hot labor he goes to

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another part of the house he'll be done

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soon the previous owners also leased it

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says with a noise complaint of the

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neighbor that's you know blowing rocks

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with the snow blower right in the

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barking dog yeah yeah I when we had

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we're really going off scent to here but

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when we first moved there the first

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winter we were there Louis and I we had

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the four blizzards in a row and there

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was 16 feet of snow and I have a picture

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of you coming down your driveway with

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the snow blower but the snow is like

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three or four feet over your head you

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know so I sent it to someone in the biz

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the publishing business in Wisconsin

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okay yeah just saying yeah this is like

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it became a meme out there whatever that

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is you know people right how'd it going

361
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on so you this is what it's like in the

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one it was so deep I couldn't use the

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snow blower to throw the snow over the

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top anymore I had to shoot it further up

365
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the driveway and then pack it into a

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place I used to use for a parking area

367
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yeah there was the machine just couldn't

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take anymore I hear you get it packing

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man that's Wow we got to talk to the

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goats about that yeah you ain't kidding

371
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so anyway well you know we have a new

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sound effect I shoulda used it so why

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don't we do this why don't we take a

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commercial break now and Cobra you're

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going to be with us right yes sir okay

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and then when we come back hopefully we

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can connect with Mike the Antonio

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Dantonio is that how we pronounce his

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last name d Antonio deantonio oh I see

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okay his Skype name doesn't have the

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apostrophe we have to pay extra for that

382
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on skype you don't wanna do that hey

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who's the goats nanny we got a nanny

384
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goat heroes yeah and what is that the

385
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mother goat either got to takes care of

386
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the goats the nanny go now that I guess

387
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I would be the nanny goat because mrs.

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Cobra is the is the mommy goat right now

389
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so Wow so it goes right into that whole

390
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sensitive profile ah yes okay yeah I

391
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could see he had them he's cuddling them

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like newborn babes nobody's gonna eat

393
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these goats right there anyway we are

394
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going down the Avenue that you tried to

395
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drive down Mac we're gonna back out of

396
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that alley pretty quick there's a place

397
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near where I lived that this these

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people had a sign out for years it said

399
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goat bucks and I swear to god I drove by

400
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there one day I'm like what kind of

401
00:16:56,430 --> 00:16:52,300
money is that I'm an idiot or a city guy

402
00:17:02,400 --> 00:16:56,440
yeah you know I bet 90% of our audience

403
00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:02,410
are going is that like Bitcoin like what

404
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like Bitcoin goat bucks that could be

405
00:17:11,370 --> 00:17:07,569
the next big thing yeah if you want to

406
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invest investing no sorry yeah so on

407
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that note okay we've talked about that

408
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it's you know goat sex and economics

409
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yeah tonight okay and the weather and so

410
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in the Patriots and the Patriots okay

411
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and one one secret yeah so you know we

412
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are precious and the pressure real quick

413
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the I read a thing in the Boston paper

414
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the other day said something to the

415
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effect

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they did a they do the report card on

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the Patriots for the weekend okay and

418
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when they said Gronkowski was absent

419
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absent yep so maybe one one in him were

420
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both absent that could be you know maybe

421
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he was partying with the Grunk that

422
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could be you know

423
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alright mission what they can see huh

424
00:17:52,820 --> 00:17:51,420
while they asked them really quested

425
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,830
they didn't come to the stadium on

426
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Sunday you know on one why he has so

427
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many tentacles into the Patriots should

428
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be surprised you know but you know he's

429
00:18:03,650 --> 00:18:01,980
uh you know he's he's as you say he

430
00:18:05,660 --> 00:18:03,660
follows his idol and no matter what's

431
00:18:12,890 --> 00:18:05,670
going on he's somehow involved

432
00:18:14,690 --> 00:18:12,900
apparently thank you very much so why

433
00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:14,700
don't we take a break now and when we

434
00:18:27,890 --> 00:18:25,860
come back our friend Antonio and the

435
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studio with us tonight taking one ones

436
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chair if not his shoes your faux

437
00:18:37,220 --> 00:18:33,870
mechanic al Ronaldo good evening

438
00:18:39,290 --> 00:18:37,230
everyone in the house also from the

439
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:39,300
undisclosed location up there in may and

440
00:18:44,570 --> 00:18:42,170
I know I some Boyd and saying this but

441
00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:44,580
you've been to the compound I've been

442
00:18:48,430 --> 00:18:45,990
through the compound several times

443
00:18:52,850 --> 00:18:48,440
Al's been to the compound yes yes right

444
00:18:55,940 --> 00:18:52,860
and we survived right we got out so he's

445
00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:55,950
up there um it's Coco they call Coco on

446
00:19:01,730 --> 00:18:58,530
the street a lot of acreage up there you

447
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:01,740
go yes you made the Culver also in the

448
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virtual house thank you so um why don't

449
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we get I guess done right away instead

450
00:19:14,420 --> 00:19:10,950
of any pitter-patter okay because this

451
00:19:17,330 --> 00:19:14,430
guy is a very famous guy in the UFO

452
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:17,340
community you see him on TV he's also

453
00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:20,970
big in cable diggin cable okay you don't

454
00:19:27,050 --> 00:19:22,620
want to go there just wanted to throw

455
00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:27,060
that out him Comcast have had several

456
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encounters let's say I should never have

457
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:36,320
told that story Mike Dan Antonio I say

458
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no but that's okay you know I mean you

459
00:19:43,769 --> 00:19:40,950
get your through in the Comcast thing so

460
00:19:45,450 --> 00:19:43,779
it's fine weathers howhow do you say

461
00:19:49,729 --> 00:19:45,460
of this faith now how would you

462
00:19:53,609 --> 00:19:49,739
pronounce that Dantonio there you go

463
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what did I say Dan Tony Dan and Dan

464
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Antonio which is what the sometimes the

465
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telemarketers say that and I just hang

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up on them but you know I would never

467
00:20:04,409 --> 00:20:02,469
hang up on you commander vouches for you

468
00:20:10,589 --> 00:20:04,419
only been here for a minute yeah don't

469
00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:10,599
be so hasty let's cut right to the chase

470
00:20:15,930 --> 00:20:12,820
you know Mike you've been on TV you're

471
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someone who the TV networks go to as an

472
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expert like LAN you opposed and kind of

473
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not the really French stuff kind of more

474
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scientific and how did they how do they

475
00:20:32,219 --> 00:20:24,190
get into how many times you've been on

476
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TV do you know wow I mean and you know I

477
00:20:36,869 --> 00:20:33,969
always have trouble talking about myself

478
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but that's okay no thanks thank you but

479
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so bear with me um I've been on probably

480
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ten different networks and there's two

481
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series that I'm associated with now the

482
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NASA's unexplained files series I've

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been with them since season one and

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500
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found me - how did they fire and how do

501
00:21:34,289 --> 00:21:31,499
they find you I mean the more they call

502
00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:34,299
well you know part of it is that when

503
00:21:41,879 --> 00:21:39,580
when I do these high-profile UFO cases

504
00:21:44,729 --> 00:21:41,889
I'm no-nonsense you know I I will sit

505
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:44,739
there and say well look everyone that

506
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:46,330
you are talking to you says these were

507
00:21:52,019 --> 00:21:49,570
UFOs but I'm analyzing the data and I'm

508
00:21:54,749 --> 00:21:52,029
really hard on this data so let me just

509
00:22:02,920 --> 00:21:54,759
you know like he'll suck all the fun

510
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,390
commander knows from experience that I

511
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:07,200
don't suck all the fun of the room I put

512
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a lot of fun into the room just throw me

513
00:22:15,170 --> 00:22:12,930
it's very very true yeah and and I I

514
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think that you know we don't have to go

515
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into the strange and an unbelievable

516
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realm to have a good logical scientific

517
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discussion about the reality of

518
00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:29,160
extraterrestrial visitation to this

519
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:31,350
planet sure so don't need to go down

520
00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:33,720
that path I mean it can be here it is

521
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here in my view right but we don't have

522
00:22:40,790 --> 00:22:38,790
to go to the fanatical stuff but they go

523
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:40,800
to you because you you you kind of know

524
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,330
how to do it on TV if you know what I

525
00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:44,880
mean right well I'm a voice of reason I

526
00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:46,830
think I mean but you know present

527
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:48,390
yourself very well like when we saw the

528
00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:50,490
lecture you know was like you know

529
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:51,720
you're not just some guy off the street

530
00:22:55,580 --> 00:22:54,330
who you know daddy UFO land in his

531
00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:55,590
backyard and he's you know written a

532
00:22:59,180 --> 00:22:56,190
book about it

533
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,190
you know you wish well that's true I do

534
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:01,679
it I mean I I've been performing since I

535
00:23:06,860 --> 00:23:04,530
was 12 so I guess you know I was a

536
00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:06,870
magician for many years before I was a

537
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,230
UFO investigator so you know doing a

538
00:23:15,410 --> 00:23:13,200
magic show is a little bit harder than

539
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,420
doing a TV show where they can say you

540
00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:18,480
want to read it again you know if you

541
00:23:25,690 --> 00:23:19,860
know you can't say that to the audience

542
00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:27,740
very quick story about magicians

543
00:23:32,110 --> 00:23:29,640
remember rum who was the guy with the

544
00:23:35,180 --> 00:23:32,120
the long he was like the hippy magician

545
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:35,190
Doug Henning Doug Henning okay so wait a

546
00:23:39,980 --> 00:23:36,720
long long time ago when he was hot right

547
00:23:41,780 --> 00:23:39,990
someone I knew had a had a son who you

548
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:41,790
know was having health issues so they

549
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:43,410
said anyway you can get us in to see

550
00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,720
Doug Henning right so I write that's

551
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:47,700
quit you know I know to them and they

552
00:23:50,540 --> 00:23:49,170
come back they should sure meet us on

553
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:50,550
the side the other something's connected

554
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:52,620
in yeah meet us on the side the last six

555
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:54,330
o'clock and go in right yeah and then

556
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:56,010
you'll meet his greeter and that's the

557
00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:57,330
guy who's gonna take care you after the

558
00:24:01,460 --> 00:23:59,250
show's over so we go okay yeah so me and

559
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:01,470
the kid go in and as we go in Doug

560
00:24:06,169 --> 00:24:04,530
Henning watch right by us walks right by

561
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:06,179
us right and then down and then the

562
00:24:10,150 --> 00:24:07,730
handle comes up knee goes OH

563
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:10,160
who was that you know like that and we

564
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:11,810
really realized it wasn't like any it

565
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:12,650
was his double

566
00:24:18,010 --> 00:24:16,610
was doing these you know you know be in

567
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:18,020
this cage and suddenly being in this

568
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:19,520
cage down there he's using a double and

569
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,530
this guy cuz when we finally met Doug

570
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:23,360
Henning later on in his Winnebago of the

571
00:24:25,870 --> 00:24:24,290
show he was like you know hugging

572
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:25,880
everyone and kissing everyone he was

573
00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:28,520
very touchy-feely this guy know kind of

574
00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:31,070
blow us off yes yeah yeah that's how he

575
00:24:38,110 --> 00:24:35,270
did a lot of who is better-looking the

576
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:38,120
double or he looked exactly like him and

577
00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:39,290
if you remember Doug Henning he was

578
00:24:42,820 --> 00:24:40,940
coming like a small guy had real long

579
00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:42,830
hair and then he had like a hippie

580
00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:44,360
mustache in a way you know when he was

581
00:24:48,340 --> 00:24:46,700
kind of a Transcendental Meditation a

582
00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:48,350
nice guy he couldn't have been better to

583
00:24:56,530 --> 00:24:50,780
the people we brought him in to see and

584
00:25:00,430 --> 00:24:56,540
stuff like that it was very gracious oh

585
00:25:07,210 --> 00:25:00,440
really yeah because it used to date him

586
00:25:09,130 --> 00:25:07,220
yeah refer to him as a Magic Man no I

587
00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:09,140
don't know those stories that would be

588
00:25:13,540 --> 00:25:12,350
too much information for me you know the

589
00:25:15,460 --> 00:25:13,550
curious thing about duck hunting is he

590
00:25:19,570 --> 00:25:15,470
actually disappeared into obscurity when

591
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:19,580
he went and started I think it was India

592
00:25:26,380 --> 00:25:22,250
where he actually disappeared to learn

593
00:25:28,930 --> 00:25:26,390
from some Yogi's yes and he ended up in

594
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:28,940
that world for the remainder of his time

595
00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:30,290
out you know he stole I don't know he

596
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,030
died yeah it's weed he died kind of a

597
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:34,000
young guy so he died about 20 years ago

598
00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:38,480
you know but yeah his show was you know

599
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:39,830
just sitting there and watching it was

600
00:25:43,210 --> 00:25:41,810
like fantastic you know I mean oh yeah

601
00:25:46,210 --> 00:25:43,220
he's using doubles a chip and that he

602
00:25:48,370 --> 00:25:46,220
was doing stuff that would people you

603
00:25:53,790 --> 00:25:48,380
know would a deck of cards with someone

604
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:53,800
from the audience it's done so anyway so

605
00:25:58,990 --> 00:25:57,110
so listen so I do ever get like stage

606
00:26:04,480 --> 00:25:59,000
fright you know when you run when the

607
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:04,490
cameras rolling no I mean in the reason

608
00:26:10,780 --> 00:26:07,760
I know I don't think is because having a

609
00:26:13,570 --> 00:26:10,790
history of performing on stage with the

610
00:26:17,020 --> 00:26:13,580
live audience and not having the luxury

611
00:26:18,940 --> 00:26:17,030
of letting anything go wrong being on

612
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:18,950
camera turns out to be just a piece of

613
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:20,010
cake

614
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:21,930
here to that the pressure is so

615
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:23,940
different there's no worries everything

616
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,510
can be done again and you know I often

617
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:30,240
will you know say okay we got to stop

618
00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:31,290
and do that again because I didn't

619
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:32,430
really phrase that the way I thought I

620
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,770
could phrase it okay and they do and

621
00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:36,840
you're gracious about it so you know and

622
00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:38,070
what do you sit in oh like a hotel room

623
00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:39,630
somewhere they rent some kind of a

624
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:42,150
little studio space for the day or

625
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:45,090
something well actually you know my

626
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:48,330
company is FX models and it's a visual

627
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:51,720
effects studio so they come here and my

628
00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:53,310
office is made up to look like a world

629
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:55,020
war ii battleship complete with a half

630
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:01,380
story or rivets on the walls they got

631
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:02,970
real portholes for windows from a

632
00:27:08,150 --> 00:27:05,730
destroyer I mean so when they come in

633
00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:08,160
you know when they finished closing

634
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:09,390
their mouth and going you know looking

635
00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:11,880
around okay and they see it there's rust

636
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:13,470
painted on the wall it looks like really

637
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:15,240
rusty steel walls you know what they're

638
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:19,140
the you know bright glossy gray paint

639
00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:21,930
mm-hmm and yeah it's all it's all in

640
00:27:28,910 --> 00:27:26,070
effect it's all a studio effect so Wow

641
00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:28,920
they see that and they just they first

642
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:30,780
look around going oh man of course

643
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:32,940
they're from London so I go look oh my

644
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:36,090
god this is such a would we stop with

645
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:40,140
something like this you know camera so

646
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:43,290
with that battleship why a battleship I

647
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:47,400
was gonna go with like a starship at one

648
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:50,310
point but I I'm a I've done work for the

649
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,740
Navy since 1994 is a contractor okay

650
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:54,900
sure FX models ended up being a navy

651
00:28:00,920 --> 00:27:58,170
contractor so nice I want to make it a

652
00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:00,930
submarine office because I focus on the

653
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:04,830
submarine Navy but I did look into

654
00:28:12,170 --> 00:28:07,610
making you know the spherical or

655
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:12,180
cylindrical wall sections probably that

656
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:13,650
was the space I was putting my office

657
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:16,310
and was too small for that mm-hmm and I

658
00:28:21,050 --> 00:28:18,810
couldn't get the proper diameter at all

659
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:21,060
and so I'd have to scale it down which

660
00:28:26,540 --> 00:28:22,980
is fine yep it's really hard to find the

661
00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:26,550
portholes for a submarine right you

662
00:28:31,660 --> 00:28:28,230
wouldn't have four goals at all exactly

663
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:31,670
they're really hard to find

664
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:35,600
in the front window that's the view we

665
00:28:38,530 --> 00:28:37,100
did an 8 foot we did an 8 foot see if

666
00:28:40,570 --> 00:28:38,540
you actually model of an 8 foot see you

667
00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:40,580
see from oh man that's a great show man

668
00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:42,560
that's not a that's not out there you

669
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:43,940
know that's one of those shows that you

670
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:45,830
know they don't do in reruns just some

671
00:28:53,050 --> 00:28:50,450
reason yeah well these streaming sites

672
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:53,060
oh yeah right I used to watch that every

673
00:28:58,540 --> 00:28:54,890
that was like one of my top 5 shows man

674
00:29:00,190 --> 00:28:58,550
yeah movie nights if you get mark to

675
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:00,200
come back on he'll take you through as a

676
00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:02,330
tour on it one of the funniest things

677
00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:03,500
this is what he's walking with the

678
00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:05,390
computer and he takes you through it and

679
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:07,070
you're looking at the the ship and it's

680
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,770
amazing the ship then you open the door

681
00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:11,120
and you'll pop out to the other part of

682
00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:12,980
it and then you'll come up against this

683
00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:19,220
washer and dryer yeah so it's but first

684
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:23,420
you go through the drone fleet you see

685
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:25,130
first and then then it's my shipping

686
00:29:31,150 --> 00:29:29,090
area there and then the shop is next you

687
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:31,160
know so I have to keep everything

688
00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:32,450
separated because I have so many

689
00:29:35,890 --> 00:29:34,190
computers in here that I know I can't

690
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:35,900
let the dust get to them well they do

691
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:38,330
have a reclamation system in the office

692
00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:40,490
so they if we're doing anything and all

693
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:42,440
the doors are open and it's nice out

694
00:29:46,210 --> 00:29:44,450
you know I turn on that dust machine and

695
00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:46,220
it's just like you know sucks everything

696
00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:47,720
out but it's a very nice one it looks

697
00:29:51,220 --> 00:29:48,950
like it's part of the day corps actually

698
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:51,230
all right it's what you say it's a dirt

699
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:54,590
reclamation yes definitely

700
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,710
just reclaimer basically you know dust

701
00:30:00,400 --> 00:29:59,120
out of the air and cleans the entire

702
00:30:02,110 --> 00:30:00,410
office in three minutes

703
00:30:03,550 --> 00:30:02,120
well that's cool man I could see

704
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,560
something like that really being nice

705
00:30:09,250 --> 00:30:06,080
you know yeah you can't have it on now

706
00:30:11,650 --> 00:30:09,260
or all your tears right you're in

707
00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:11,660
Connecticut right I am unfortunately now

708
00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:14,360
okay all right so - for this morning yep

709
00:30:19,090 --> 00:30:16,070
we're going through the same thing up in

710
00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:19,100
Boston and further up it's really warm -

711
00:30:23,170 --> 00:30:20,270
that's excellent

712
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:23,180
yeah okay commander thank you you know

713
00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:26,000
the problem again there's like the

714
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:27,230
walnut pods of this country they

715
00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:31,520
probably say that warm in Florida we

716
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:32,750
were talking they were talking northern

717
00:30:35,410 --> 00:30:33,650
Florida oh really

718
00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:35,420
parties and stuff oh one of those real

719
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:39,950
Oh Kennedy like Atlanta was ridiculously

720
00:30:43,030 --> 00:30:41,810
cold it for them oh they go nuts down

721
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:43,040
this man

722
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:45,929
Yeah right well I mean I have I have an

723
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:48,179
observatory here with a very large

724
00:30:53,030 --> 00:30:50,730
telescope in it and dome and all that

725
00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:53,040
stuff and what you feel for your YouTube

726
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,900
program yeah that's I'm late that's my

727
00:31:00,380 --> 00:30:56,640
skype that's called sky tour livestream

728
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:00,390
that's actually my I guess why don't you

729
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:03,840
call it a vice really I mean my degrees

730
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:07,860
in astronomy so no some ideas planets

731
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:09,510
around other stars let me ask you

732
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:12,330
something mock um yeah if I can be so

733
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:15,330
bold are you a married man yeah you are

734
00:31:21,530 --> 00:31:17,220
okay what does your wife think about all

735
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:21,540
this you know or she well I I told her

736
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:22,919
I'm moving to Arizona in a couple of

737
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,200
years and she's sort of waste okay I

738
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,640
sent me a post Calvin you know thank you

739
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:31,919
so so but I mean like you know the the

740
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,130
day-to-day stuff of being let's say UFO

741
00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:37,320
exports um who's on TV I mean does the

742
00:31:41,390 --> 00:31:39,870
she does she share your belief in what's

743
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:41,400
that there's something going on up

744
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:43,799
that's in fact what you believe I don't

745
00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:46,260
I don't believe that she nor my children

746
00:31:51,020 --> 00:31:48,740
two boys actually really think about it

747
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:51,030
but I was on the phone today with a guy

748
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:52,860
and I had him i speakerphone and my

749
00:31:55,299 --> 00:31:54,120
youngest son who's in film school

750
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,309
actually

751
00:32:01,700 --> 00:31:58,260
he came in and overheard the

752
00:32:05,030 --> 00:32:01,710
conversation of this guy who was in the

753
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Wisconsin woods telling me all about the

754
00:32:11,299 --> 00:32:07,890
imagery and movies videos videos that

755
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:11,309
he's sending me that show what he thinks

756
00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:14,910
is an entire Bigfoot family know I'm not

757
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:18,270
a you know I there might be creatures in

758
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:19,380
this planet that we haven't found yet

759
00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:21,570
certainly in the deep ocean we've find

760
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:24,360
new species every year mm-hmm on the

761
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:24,720
land

762
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:26,850
maybe and there's a lot of square

763
00:32:33,650 --> 00:32:29,580
footage a lot of squares I'm exactly

764
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:33,660
many acres that really we haven't been

765
00:32:38,890 --> 00:32:35,520
to yet in our in our country there's a

766
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:38,900
few places that are really removed so

767
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:41,700
he's gonna send me the symmetry and

768
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:43,710
stuff I mean I get that to see I get the

769
00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:45,480
UFO stuff and then I get this stuff

770
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:47,640
mm-hmm now I have I have a drone with a

771
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:50,490
military-grade infrared system on it oh

772
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:51,659
very nice one

773
00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:53,730
very nice I mean I'm gonna design that

774
00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:56,100
you can see oh yeah absolutely yeah

775
00:33:00,560 --> 00:32:57,720
with impunity I could fly with impunity

776
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:00,570
I took it to Arizona yeah when I went up

777
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:04,470
in the air there I was looking down and

778
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,510
it was probably around 10 o'clock at

779
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:09,360
night and I was seeing animals running

780
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:12,450
in the desert probably coyotes hmm and I

781
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:14,370
was also seeing these dark streaks on

782
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,350
the ground okay and what I was actually

783
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:19,200
seeing was slightly cooler ground and

784
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:20,670
the answer to why that was slightly

785
00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:22,050
cooler was because that's where the

786
00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:25,680
water is and you could tell where the

787
00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:27,390
water is from the air with an infrared

788
00:33:31,790 --> 00:33:29,520
system especially at night because it

789
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:31,800
cools quicker than the surrounding dirt

790
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,050
that doesn't have any a lot of moisture

791
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:36,480
yeah how far away so I could map out the

792
00:33:42,620 --> 00:33:37,860
water running under the desert out there

793
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:42,630
which I did and water that's under the

794
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:44,490
desert your target that's correct I mean

795
00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:46,170
this is stuff that's like in aquifers

796
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:49,020
you can actually see the effect as it

797
00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:50,730
comes up now it they have to be shallow

798
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,960
I mean if they're really deep you'd

799
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:53,640
never see them of course right you can't

800
00:33:57,050 --> 00:33:54,840
say you can't say oh it was where you

801
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,060
dig your well right but it does show you

802
00:34:02,120 --> 00:33:59,820
where the moisture content is higher and

803
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:02,130
that's important because that's animals

804
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:03,720
frequent those areas animals go there

805
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:05,850
because they can you know with their

806
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:07,740
paws scraping it and then maybe get a

807
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:09,210
little bit of a drink but you know they

808
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:11,010
typically would chew on a saguaro cactus

809
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:13,110
if they wanna you know get their water

810
00:34:17,390 --> 00:34:14,610
cuz they're just big water reservoirs

811
00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:17,400
you just stick up yep you know that

812
00:34:21,620 --> 00:34:19,980
means cool stuff and so and and and when

813
00:34:24,140 --> 00:34:21,630
you're investigating UFOs you you learn

814
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:24,150
all these ancillary Sciences that go

815
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:27,060
along with your specialty and then you

816
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:29,700
know then some right so and you have to

817
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:32,010
know this and I tell people you know to

818
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:34,950
be a UFO investigator and you know you

819
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:36,090
don't just have to know how to use a

820
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:38,310
camera you have to know how cameras take

821
00:34:43,220 --> 00:34:41,010
pictures good and bad you also have to

822
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:43,230
be able to understand earth science you

823
00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:44,730
have to understand astronomy of course

824
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:47,190
so now and it just goes on and on you

825
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,320
even have to understand human anatomy

826
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:52,320
okay you have to know why the human eyes

827
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:54,540
are separated by just a couple inches or

828
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:55,770
so you know two and a half inches and

829
00:34:59,240 --> 00:34:57,690
the reason is oh you know because a

830
00:35:02,330 --> 00:34:59,250
binocular vision it gives us the ability

831
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:02,340
to discern distance doesn't it but in a

832
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:05,190
UFO case what do you hear it was three

833
00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:07,020
hundred feet across and about a mile

834
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:09,630
away and those are

835
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,339
metrics that the person just thought

836
00:35:15,579 --> 00:35:13,440
that's what they saw right but there's

837
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:15,589
no way to know that that's really true

838
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,140
because if there's no references that

839
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:21,480
they can use then they're subject to the

840
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:25,140
same problems if you put 10 people at a

841
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:27,420
same sighting and I prove this actually

842
00:35:31,099 --> 00:35:29,490
in the desert with with a 30 people okay

843
00:35:33,259 --> 00:35:31,109
if you put 10 people in this in a

844
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,269
sighting and you ask them what they see

845
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:35,220
you're gonna get maybe 8 different

846
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:37,529
answers really I mean out of in reality

847
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:39,180
get about 8 different answers ok a

848
00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:40,619
couple people will agree with each other

849
00:35:46,279 --> 00:35:43,319
so I had 30 people in desert we're doing

850
00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:46,289
training for them on basically UFO

851
00:35:50,089 --> 00:35:48,150
recovery actually we had a fake UFO on

852
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:50,099
the ground courtesy of yeah you know

853
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:51,420
Chuck and Vickie modeling who gave up

854
00:35:57,319 --> 00:35:54,930
their their their land for this for this

855
00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:57,329
training and it was a week and on the

856
00:36:02,839 --> 00:35:59,880
final night I flew a drone way out about

857
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:02,849
about a half a mile out and I had a very

858
00:36:07,549 --> 00:36:05,160
bright light on it mm-hmm and I had it

859
00:36:10,009 --> 00:36:07,559
off and now it was dusk it was almost

860
00:36:11,269 --> 00:36:10,019
dark and then I I was using the infrared

861
00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:11,279
system so I could see and I was

862
00:36:15,529 --> 00:36:13,230
navigating around you know Saguaro

863
00:36:17,660 --> 00:36:15,539
cactuses with no problem and I turned it

864
00:36:19,269 --> 00:36:17,670
around when the light facing me and then

865
00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:19,279
went way up in the air turn the light on

866
00:36:22,249 --> 00:36:20,430
okay

867
00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:22,259
and now I started coming forward and

868
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,390
people are going what's that Hey look

869
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:26,220
look what's that this guy yeah and I'm

870
00:36:30,859 --> 00:36:28,049
listening and I was on the other side of

871
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:30,869
the compound from where they were what

872
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:32,339
sound travels in the desert like you

873
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:33,900
can't believe I mean you can hear

874
00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:35,460
someone coming literally from two miles

875
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:36,990
away you can hear them driving on the

876
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:40,200
road the dirt road yep okay and so I'm

877
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:41,490
listening to all these comments and

878
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:43,380
people are saying what is that that's

879
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,630
that's got to be moving like 200 miles

880
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:48,000
an hour at least yes cuz I was I was

881
00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:50,730
racing horizontally well for them you

882
00:36:54,769 --> 00:36:52,859
know left to right across the sky yeah

883
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:54,779
just slipping to the to the to my left

884
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:57,089
you know if I was in the drone okay okay

885
00:37:01,220 --> 00:36:59,700
and it was looking like to them like it

886
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:01,230
was something moving several hundred

887
00:37:05,299 --> 00:37:03,450
miles an hour and they said how far away

888
00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:05,309
is that and I one person said I think

889
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:07,470
it's like a couple of miles at that

890
00:37:10,930 --> 00:37:09,000
point it was less than three-quarters of

891
00:37:15,019 --> 00:37:10,940
Bowness or less than half a mile and

892
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:15,029
then I went racing way up in the air and

893
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:17,160
they said well if that's like several

894
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:18,450
miles away do you know that means you

895
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:19,950
had to move at least a thousand miles an

896
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,930
hour and there are all these numbers

897
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,520
that they're throwing out everything

898
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:25,920
yes is just because it's a get it's

899
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,380
against a blank sky they can't tell what

900
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:31,200
it is they can't tell how far it is and

901
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:33,210
to put your thumb up I think you know I

902
00:37:36,740 --> 00:37:34,710
read once you put your thumb up and then

903
00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:36,750
you say ok it was you know half the

904
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:39,270
length of my thumb my thumb held out as

905
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:41,670
far as I can from my eyes right and that

906
00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:43,140
way they have something to kind of link

907
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:45,270
on to that can give you the dimensions

908
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:47,730
of whatever the hell was up there they

909
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:48,780
could just give you the relative

910
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:51,000
dimension it was the size of say half my

911
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:53,160
thumb if they said that's you then that

912
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:55,290
could be a very small thing much closer

913
00:38:00,200 --> 00:37:58,020
or a big thing farther away but boom you

914
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:00,210
still don't have the range you know and

915
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:03,510
that's the thing and as I got closer I

916
00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:05,940
sped up and I started racing it thing at

917
00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:08,220
high speed it goes pretty good about 35

918
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:10,980
to 38 miles an hour and I'm racing it

919
00:38:15,590 --> 00:38:12,330
across and then I start dropping it down

920
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:15,600
to the deck and now the mountains are

921
00:38:19,850 --> 00:38:18,570
behind it and the people are going oh I

922
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:19,860
can see the mountains don't know what's

923
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:21,330
going on now they're starting to panic

924
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:23,130
but now you see they're getting some

925
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:25,530
range data well the mounds are Chuck

926
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:28,500
said the mountains are 15 miles away so

927
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:30,930
that's got to be you know you know much

928
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,780
much closer and then as I got closer

929
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:36,960
they started to hear the sound okay cuz

930
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:38,280
I was I was letting the cat out of the

931
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:41,310
bag cuz you know yeah so anyway it got

932
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,940
closer and all of a sudden everybody was

933
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,800
quiet and the drone flies right over

934
00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:49,440
them Brown and then just look up and

935
00:38:59,960 --> 00:38:51,600
then one one person in the crowd goes

936
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,970
mark and yells out my name and you idiot

937
00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:01,440
that was you wasn't it and then of

938
00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:03,600
course everybody's eye starts laughing

939
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:05,580
and so forth right and but it proved the

940
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:07,260
points eMac it proved the point that

941
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:12,720
this was a situation where 30 people had

942
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:14,760
quite a number of different

943
00:39:18,859 --> 00:39:17,190
approximation for the data that they

944
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:18,869
thought they knew right and that's what

945
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:21,000
we see right ya know do they yeah that's

946
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:23,070
what we see the 30 people sign like

947
00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:25,560
insurance waivers before the dozens what

948
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:29,580
you actually I think they did you know

949
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:33,300
this was actually how the mutual UFO

950
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:35,700
network to put on this training and I

951
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:37,240
was one of the instructors yeah

952
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:40,090
[\h__\h] you fly the drone away from you

953
00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:42,610
you know is it like a mile is it can can

954
00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:43,840
the drum be out of yours

955
00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:48,580
- I can still fly well well in a hangar

956
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:51,070
one second I just inhaled in the wrong

957
00:39:56,130 --> 00:39:53,350
pipe that's why you need that that does

958
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:56,140
separate or run yeah I don't have it on

959
00:40:00,330 --> 00:39:58,930
that's a problem um yeah it depends

960
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:00,340
which one they have I have one that I

961
00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:02,890
can get about two miles away with no

962
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:06,460
problem and of course you don't see it

963
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:09,310
so you have to fly from what it sees and

964
00:40:13,770 --> 00:40:12,130
if you lose the signal it'll just

965
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:13,780
automatically say oh I've lost the

966
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:15,250
signal I'm coming home to where I took

967
00:40:19,290 --> 00:40:17,800
off from okay you know it'll come back

968
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:19,300
by itself I have another one a

969
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:23,890
hexacopter a six six motor system that

970
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,610
one can go six miles away it's like if I

971
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:29,680
we could we call that you know it's not

972
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:31,720
really truly this but you know you call

973
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:35,350
it Oh over the horizon kind of a flight

974
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:37,630
the only as far as we're concerned yeah

975
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:39,850
it's over our local horizon yeah not

976
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:41,770
over our real horizon but yeah but I

977
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:44,560
usually it's great because the software

978
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:46,690
allows me to do grid searches so I can

979
00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:48,580
actually just you know instruct it to do

980
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:50,109
a grid search right and it will

981
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:51,640
automatically do a grid search by or

982
00:40:57,090 --> 00:40:54,430
whatever you know you know numbers I put

983
00:40:59,970 --> 00:40:57,100
in for the grid um really good stuff and

984
00:41:02,160 --> 00:40:59,980
I can control it from an iPad or

985
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:02,170
progressive brings you flow a tree with

986
00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:04,990
flow motorcycle and car insurance

987
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:08,080
bundled like macaroni and cheese please

988
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:11,230
I got discounts up the wazoo yeah

989
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:13,270
saving money writing down the open road

990
00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:16,390
on my bike dropping fine rhymes then

991
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,000
dropping the mic assuming that's okay

992
00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:21,280
with the band you bundle your motorcycle

993
00:41:25,020 --> 00:41:22,780
and car insurance and save with

994
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:25,030
progressive call 1-800 aggressive visit

995
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:25,810
progressive.com

996
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:27,310
progressive casualty insurance company

997
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:28,750
affiliates discounts not available in

998
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:30,609
all states or situations from a

999
00:41:34,859 --> 00:41:31,810
controller like you're holding in your

1000
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:34,869
regular radio controller right do you

1001
00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:36,730
ever there's anything um you know you go

1002
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:38,680
back and you do tape it or you are

1003
00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:41,180
you're watching it live what you know

1004
00:41:46,990 --> 00:41:44,540
casting to both I actually if video

1005
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,000
captures at 4k which is very

1006
00:41:51,339 --> 00:41:49,280
high-resolution right and it's

1007
00:41:52,299 --> 00:41:51,349
transmitting live so I get a live feed

1008
00:41:54,819 --> 00:41:52,309
on the monitor

1009
00:41:57,370 --> 00:41:54,829
okay and we see anything like really

1010
00:42:00,130 --> 00:41:57,380
kind of outrageously you know freaky

1011
00:42:01,809 --> 00:42:00,140
I saw rabbit eating some dandelion

1012
00:42:05,710 --> 00:42:01,819
shoots on my front lawn in the middle of

1013
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:05,720
night Wow but yeah that really scared me

1014
00:42:10,990 --> 00:42:08,569
ya know I haven't yeah

1015
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:11,000
I haven't yet because I haven't you know

1016
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:14,750
flown the IR system to the point where

1017
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:17,450
you know I mean I floated a lot but I

1018
00:42:21,549 --> 00:42:19,010
haven't flown it in it's a point where

1019
00:42:23,049 --> 00:42:21,559
I've actually got enough flights under

1020
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,059
my belt that I can say I saw this on

1021
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,000
this date that on that date mm-hmm but

1022
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,160
that's coming that's not far away we do

1023
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:30,319
have a canyon trip we plan for the Grand

1024
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:33,290
Canyon where we're gonna fly from River

1025
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:33,950
to Rin

1026
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:37,040
with one with a drone okay fly off a J

1027
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:38,990
boat going down the river and then just

1028
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:40,730
go right up in the air and bredren going

1029
00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:42,050
and go up over the top of the rim and

1030
00:42:47,309 --> 00:42:44,740
one one continuous shot again

1031
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:47,319
that takes a lot of battery power but

1032
00:42:54,430 --> 00:42:50,930
like my big drone you know it flies a 21

1033
00:42:56,859 --> 00:42:54,440
amp battery so I get about 25 minutes of

1034
00:42:58,299 --> 00:42:56,869
flight time on that but okay I think a

1035
00:42:59,680 --> 00:42:58,309
lot of practice has I think Ella now is

1036
00:43:03,849 --> 00:42:59,690
the only one who is understanding this

1037
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,859
of the two of us okay I mean I've been

1038
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:06,079
writing it down but I'm falling behind

1039
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:09,410
no well it's it's a it's a pre record so

1040
00:43:12,849 --> 00:43:11,270
you can always cut that out you know

1041
00:43:14,289 --> 00:43:12,859
you're talking about your perspective

1042
00:43:16,089 --> 00:43:14,299
and what people see and what they don't

1043
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:16,099
or what they think they see

1044
00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:17,780
and how many different people see the

1045
00:43:22,839 --> 00:43:19,670
same thing and interpret it differently

1046
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:22,849
I have a friend who's about seven foot

1047
00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:26,900
six so he's a giant and if you took him

1048
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,940
and you brought him and you stood him

1049
00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:31,040
next to a cement block wall and you took

1050
00:43:34,930 --> 00:43:33,230
people off you know a distance away and

1051
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:34,940
said what do you see they say I see a

1052
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:37,660
guy a gentleman standing by the wall

1053
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,780
right but if you bring them closer and

1054
00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:43,520
they get a look at the guy they they

1055
00:43:48,099 --> 00:43:45,790
they go my god the guy's huge

1056
00:43:52,539 --> 00:43:48,109
but right and now the walls now the

1057
00:43:55,310 --> 00:43:52,549
walls a lot taller right but you it's so

1058
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:55,320
funny because people don't get

1059
00:43:59,330 --> 00:43:57,570
you know everybody interprets things

1060
00:44:00,860 --> 00:43:59,340
differently so like that's why you said

1061
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:00,870
like eight different people looking at

1062
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:03,240
the same things and you get eight

1063
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:04,770
different interpretations of it and it's

1064
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:08,040
human nature because you base it on your

1065
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,490
experiences to determine what you're

1066
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,720
seeing you know cuz everyone's got a

1067
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:14,880
different interpretation of it so look

1068
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,740
like with the UFOs you know someone sees

1069
00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:18,720
something that predetermined to think

1070
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:20,580
that's what it looks like because that's

1071
00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:22,770
their only reference if you will maybe

1072
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,950
you said the right word reference okay

1073
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,260
if you have a point of reference like an

1074
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:30,240
aircraft people understand that aircraft

1075
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:33,690
is a certain size oh look a 737 well I

1076
00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:35,850
know how much I know how big a 737-800

1077
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:39,180
is I know its wingspan and I know it

1078
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:41,250
even has Wi-Fi on board yay well the

1079
00:44:45,590 --> 00:44:44,010
fact is seeing that in the sky you can

1080
00:44:47,570 --> 00:44:45,600
if you took a photograph of it you could

1081
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,580
calculate how high it is based on the

1082
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,480
size of the wingspan on the image and

1083
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:53,040
knowing the actual size of the wingspan

1084
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:55,290
in real life you could calculate for

1085
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:58,260
that image at that magnification how far

1086
00:45:02,210 --> 00:44:58,920
away it is

1087
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:02,220
you know and you know generally if it's

1088
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:03,570
leaving the country will then you know

1089
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:05,910
what's probably and this is a rough view

1090
00:45:12,070 --> 00:45:09,000
of above 30,000 you know depending on

1091
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:12,080
temperature - right the colder it is out

1092
00:45:17,090 --> 00:45:14,850
it all depends a lot of things you can

1093
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:17,100
get you can get contrails a little above

1094
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:21,090
and below that sure but you know so yeah

1095
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:23,910
I get photos you know the speaking Jeff

1096
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:28,290
my favorite photo that people I get that

1097
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:30,810
people think are UFOs are the ones where

1098
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:34,380
the Jets are in a distance and so that

1099
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:37,770
the contrail is very foreshortened so

1100
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:39,540
the whole length of the contrails

1101
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,940
compressed in just tiny little you know

1102
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:43,920
near distance and far distance that

1103
00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:45,300
aren't really separated from each other

1104
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:47,550
in the sky and so it looks like this

1105
00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:49,530
little - in the sky when in fact it's a

1106
00:45:54,740 --> 00:45:52,440
lot longer than that and depending on

1107
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:54,750
the conditions as you said the contrail

1108
00:45:59,690 --> 00:45:57,450
may vanish after only about 15 seconds

1109
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,700
in the air but while the Jets still

1110
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:02,160
flying you get a contrail behind it for

1111
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:03,270
a certain distance and it goes away

1112
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:06,630
right and and especially at sunset right

1113
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:08,280
those are beautiful they look gorgeous

1114
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:08,910
you know that

1115
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:11,760
these beautiful orange dashes in the sky

1116
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:14,610
yeah and I get so many people saying

1117
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:18,450
this is not an aircraft it's like well

1118
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:20,730
actually it is you know and I can prove

1119
00:46:25,610 --> 00:46:22,710
it you know four or five different way

1120
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:25,620
Maes yeah chemtrails I mean you know

1121
00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:27,330
that would seem to be like the hot topic

1122
00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:28,620
maybe two or three years ago and then it

1123
00:46:33,580 --> 00:46:31,470
kind of died away I mean did you ever

1124
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:33,590
put any kind of credence in that at all

1125
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:36,330
no I'll see science reared its ugly head

1126
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:38,670
and and the whole chemtrail controversy

1127
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:41,030
you know there's still a few pockets of

1128
00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:44,130
hardcore people out there that think

1129
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,590
that they're real and and they always

1130
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:49,680
seem to draw on the the same tired old

1131
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:52,500
imagery showing big tanks in a wide-body

1132
00:47:00,020 --> 00:46:57,720
aircraft and I when I see those I say to

1133
00:47:02,570 --> 00:47:00,030
them you know these have been shown time

1134
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,580
and again to be ballast systems how do

1135
00:47:06,830 --> 00:47:04,560
you think they test new planes for

1136
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:06,840
different weight distributions alright

1137
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:08,850
okay they pump water into tanks at

1138
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:10,530
various places in the plane to see how

1139
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:13,260
the performance changes and of course

1140
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:15,330
they don't buy that they think that the

1141
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:16,560
government's lying and it's like when

1142
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:17,730
you get that you just say you know what

1143
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:19,800
I'm not gonna even bother right I said

1144
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:20,970
but science will rear its ugly head a

1145
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:24,720
new one once you know how the pilots of

1146
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:27,450
these these airplanes know that they

1147
00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:31,050
weren't killing a use for it free what

1148
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:33,720
would they use as you know criteria to

1149
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,980
say okay now is the time to let the

1150
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:36,420
stuff out right yeah to kill the most

1151
00:47:42,580 --> 00:47:39,060
people yeah and every every traffic

1152
00:47:45,590 --> 00:47:42,590
control in the world would have to be

1153
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:45,600
round but you know we live in an area

1154
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:48,450
where yes there are a lot of jets yes up

1155
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,020
overhead

1156
00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:51,680
yeah and I've taken pictures that show

1157
00:47:58,850 --> 00:47:56,070
chemtrails from AI contrails yeah how

1158
00:48:00,020 --> 00:47:58,860
many yeah different jets at once and

1159
00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:00,030
that you know I take these pictures and

1160
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:01,800
I toast to the people and go wow we in

1161
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:03,000
trouble here should I be worried about

1162
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:05,310
this year just kidding people just love

1163
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:10,140
to think they all come together come

1164
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,420
across ocean but if you notice something

1165
00:48:17,090 --> 00:48:14,640
over this guy and and Cobra can probably

1166
00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:17,100
verify this a lot and I don't know if

1167
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:19,020
I'm just imagining it but it seems like

1168
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:20,610
in the late spring you see a lot of

1169
00:48:25,290 --> 00:48:22,330
aircraft going

1170
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:25,300
over our head let's say right not landed

1171
00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:27,310
Logan Airport but over flying load me up

1172
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:29,830
you can almost see streams going almost

1173
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:35,830
like New Yorkers often love to do with

1174
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:38,170
the jet stream and yep your if you're

1175
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:40,570
coming westbound you're fighting our

1176
00:48:45,570 --> 00:48:43,510
terrific headwind so yes you're yeah you

1177
00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:45,580
know areas that's gonna allow you to get

1178
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:49,060
the best ground speed right against that

1179
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:50,890
wind so and then everything is called

1180
00:48:54,030 --> 00:48:52,390
the Great Circle Route because you're

1181
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:54,040
flying over a sphere so you have to aim

1182
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,530
for certain points that don't look like

1183
00:49:00,180 --> 00:48:58,480
a straight line to that point that's

1184
00:49:01,410 --> 00:49:00,190
reason why you see that but it changes

1185
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:01,420
seasonally because of the way the wind

1186
00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:12,550
is blowing okay if some jet was flying

1187
00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:16,060
over you know no point right landing in

1188
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:17,320
New York would we still be able to see

1189
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:22,750
his contrail Matt yeah no actually I

1190
00:49:28,350 --> 00:49:25,560
wrote a program that would allow you to

1191
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:28,360
calculate the length of a contrail yes

1192
00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:30,730
if you knew the angle off the horizon of

1193
00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:32,380
the beginning of it from where you see

1194
00:49:39,690 --> 00:49:36,040
it to the upper terminal point or a

1195
00:49:41,850 --> 00:49:39,700
point along the route mm-hmm and I can

1196
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:41,860
calculate the length and you know I can

1197
00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:43,810
routinely see contrails that are you

1198
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:46,840
know 160 miles long without any problem

1199
00:49:52,830 --> 00:49:49,930
oh wow yeah because yeah and that that's

1200
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,840
over your local horizon yep and you know

1201
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:54,160
when you'd look at countries like that

1202
00:49:59,730 --> 00:49:58,210
if they're coming at you know they're

1203
00:50:01,680 --> 00:49:59,740
actually they look like they're vertical

1204
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:01,690
near the horizon yeah yeah yeah yeah

1205
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:04,210
that's peak but that's because they are

1206
00:50:10,110 --> 00:50:08,710
on a sphere right and so that's looking

1207
00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:10,120
at you're kind of looking at it from one

1208
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,560
end let's say it's kind of looking at

1209
00:50:17,730 --> 00:50:16,000
like the one end of the worm you know

1210
00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:17,740
looking down and that's that's right

1211
00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:19,600
they look really really strange some of

1212
00:50:22,410 --> 00:50:21,190
them and also say something coming

1213
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:22,420
toward you you know what I mean looks

1214
00:50:26,570 --> 00:50:24,190
like the Rockets and there were times we

1215
00:50:31,350 --> 00:50:26,580
see so many and they're all crossing and

1216
00:50:33,450 --> 00:50:31,360
again I've always maintained who's is

1217
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:33,460
someone eaten like a bowl of

1218
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:36,880
Cheerios something is that you cobra not

1219
00:50:47,970 --> 00:50:45,510
we see so many of your heels we see so

1220
00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:47,980
many of these trails coming and I've

1221
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:49,270
always maintained that it was just

1222
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:51,970
coming from Europe yeah and then hooking

1223
00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:53,890
up a left and going down with New

1224
00:51:00,210 --> 00:50:56,020
Yorkers whenever just over flying yes

1225
00:51:01,799 --> 00:51:00,220
and there's lots of them yeah this times

1226
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:01,809
when there's so many you walk out and

1227
00:51:06,420 --> 00:51:03,550
you look up on this at night it's wow

1228
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,430
how many of these yeah it really is well

1229
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:08,079
and I've taken pictures of it just to be

1230
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,609
you or to be funny just there with like

1231
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:11,680
20 or 20 miles from Logan Airport

1232
00:51:16,859 --> 00:51:14,140
there's the crow flies right robro about

1233
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:16,869
20-25 no no you're not that far you're

1234
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:19,569
probably eight and a half nine miles

1235
00:51:24,809 --> 00:51:22,630
from Logan Airport straight straight

1236
00:51:26,099 --> 00:51:24,819
line you bet you how about that well you

1237
00:51:27,569 --> 00:51:26,109
should get a hold of that the

1238
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:27,579
application if you have an iPhone get

1239
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:33,280
flightradar24 we also have a house near

1240
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:37,450
us on the underwater front that has an

1241
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:39,730
observatory built in oh yeah right have

1242
00:51:47,099 --> 00:51:44,710
you ever seen a yeah yeah he was he was

1243
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,109
some famous guy he built yeah there's an

1244
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:49,599
oceanfront house and he put a little

1245
00:51:56,789 --> 00:51:54,910
observatory no he moved he he was at ABC

1246
00:51:58,770 --> 00:51:56,799
for a long time but you'd see him a new

1247
00:52:00,210 --> 00:51:58,780
boy walking around who's long gone

1248
00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:00,220
yeah for the area but whoever bought the

1249
00:52:10,530 --> 00:52:01,720
house I don't know if they ever use it

1250
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,540
you gotta use it as a green house wow

1251
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:12,640
that would be because you look out over

1252
00:52:17,099 --> 00:52:14,380
the ocean there's no interference of

1253
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:17,109
light after cities or or anything it

1254
00:52:20,819 --> 00:52:19,150
must be an interesting you know you each

1255
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:20,829
at night in certain plants of Plum

1256
00:52:23,549 --> 00:52:21,970
Island Beach you down there where

1257
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:23,559
there's like no light pollution around

1258
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:25,030
you you want to see if the styles look

1259
00:52:30,059 --> 00:52:27,010
like men that's what the Styles look

1260
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:30,069
like they just yeah you look out over

1261
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,210
the water and you're like wow I can't

1262
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:33,520
get over this is it's so beautiful yeah

1263
00:52:36,809 --> 00:52:35,290
yeah you can only see weird lights out

1264
00:52:38,609 --> 00:52:36,819
on the water I can you know I can always

1265
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:38,619
see a blinking green lights and blinking

1266
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:40,150
red lights and moving back and forth

1267
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:43,410
probably merchant ships whales yeah or

1268
00:52:49,380 --> 00:52:46,049
military

1269
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:49,390
yeah they do a lot of clothes they do

1270
00:52:56,969 --> 00:52:55,089
offshore freaking pasta shot here as

1271
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:56,979
we're kind of wine done with you here

1272
00:53:01,099 --> 00:52:58,930
just a tiny bit what is your most

1273
00:53:03,749 --> 00:53:01,109
convincing case you research with your

1274
00:53:05,579 --> 00:53:03,759
your analysis that you do for MUFON and

1275
00:53:07,890 --> 00:53:05,589
and in just your other research you done

1276
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:07,900
do you have one that you can share that

1277
00:53:13,859 --> 00:53:10,690
it kind of sticks the most in your mind

1278
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:13,869
actually and you know you know this

1279
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:15,849
commander is and I don't know if you

1280
00:53:23,849 --> 00:53:21,569
know Mac but my feeling has been that

1281
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:23,859
I'm a guy who looks at current cases

1282
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:26,319
yeah I try not to look at history

1283
00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:29,410
historical cases because that date is in

1284
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:31,420
that date is that's that's all there is

1285
00:53:34,859 --> 00:53:33,130
there's no further investigation that

1286
00:53:36,479 --> 00:53:34,869
can be done that's gonna turn up

1287
00:53:41,279 --> 00:53:36,489
anything of any significance I don't

1288
00:53:42,749 --> 00:53:41,289
think you know Roswell has been time and

1289
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:42,759
time again beaten to death and talked

1290
00:53:49,579 --> 00:53:45,729
about over and over but the for the

1291
00:53:53,009 --> 00:53:49,589
bottom line for me is looking forward

1292
00:53:55,950 --> 00:53:53,019
are a truly convincing case for me and

1293
00:53:59,099 --> 00:53:55,960
so to answer your question no I don't

1294
00:54:01,469 --> 00:53:59,109
have a case that stands out but moving

1295
00:54:02,910 --> 00:54:01,479
forward you know I'm working with you

1296
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:02,920
know as you know douglas trumbull who's

1297
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:06,130
uh you know the screen legend the guy

1298
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:07,599
who you know did Close Encounters of the

1299
00:54:11,609 --> 00:54:09,430
Third Kind with Steven Spielberg he did

1300
00:54:14,609 --> 00:54:11,619
the special effects for that movie Blade

1301
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:14,619
Runner fantastic guy good friend and

1302
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:18,249
we're doing this UFO hunting system now

1303
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:21,160
we originally called it you photog UFO t

1304
00:54:25,769 --> 00:54:23,410
oh gee it was a combination of the word

1305
00:54:28,859 --> 00:54:25,779
UFO and photogra which is what they you

1306
00:54:34,579 --> 00:54:28,869
know a called photographers you know

1307
00:54:39,749 --> 00:54:37,410
photographer that to be our flagship

1308
00:54:42,059 --> 00:54:39,759
sensor platter they would have a bunch

1309
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:42,069
of sensors on it okay so with that is

1310
00:54:48,989 --> 00:54:46,390
that when you ever have the name UFO in

1311
00:54:51,509 --> 00:54:48,999
the name of an object whatever you know

1312
00:54:54,740 --> 00:54:51,519
an instrumentation package you you're

1313
00:54:58,880 --> 00:54:57,560
so well apparently that's not a fully

1314
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:58,890
true there's not good friends with

1315
00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:00,660
Senator Reid bringing the funny back

1316
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:04,140
okay that's true that's right and it

1317
00:55:09,140 --> 00:55:06,180
took you know all kinds of crazy

1318
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:09,150
gyrations to get that out right right if

1319
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,730
you look okay at the name now the name

1320
00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:13,440
now is the aerial anomaly detection

1321
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:15,990
system so aad is okay okay

1322
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:20,250
and so that system now oh and it has a

1323
00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:22,140
multiple purpose you know uh effect now

1324
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:24,119
because that can not only see any

1325
00:55:28,099 --> 00:55:26,099
anomalous activity in our skies it's

1326
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,109
also something to look at for meteors

1327
00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:30,960
and log them track them perhaps even the

1328
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:33,180
killer asteroid that may be lurking out

1329
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:34,800
there it can log and find it and see it

1330
00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:39,660
maybe and they're also deployable units

1331
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:41,190
that are standalone have their own

1332
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:43,710
energy uh you know sources they can

1333
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:46,290
actually create a right with a solar

1334
00:55:49,630 --> 00:55:47,490
panel setup they're gonna create their

1335
00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:49,640
own energy you can store it yes and um

1336
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,550
you know the mutual UFO network field

1337
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:55,200
investigators in each of these states

1338
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,810
are going to be able to be our boots on

1339
00:56:02,480 --> 00:55:59,280
the ground folks that will go and

1340
00:56:05,150 --> 00:56:02,490
retrieve data from these systems in the

1341
00:56:07,180 --> 00:56:05,160
very first phase anyway and we're still

1342
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:07,190
a ways from completion but the thing is

1343
00:56:12,829 --> 00:56:10,980
you know there's that ADF system the the

1344
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:12,839
basically it's a UFO hun think system

1345
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:16,050
right yes and then there's sky through

1346
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:17,880
life you more actually talk about deep

1347
00:56:22,579 --> 00:56:19,410
sky wonders and show people these deep

1348
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:22,589
sky wonders in seconds not minutes using

1349
00:56:28,579 --> 00:56:26,940
very similar cameras commander did he

1350
00:56:30,050 --> 00:56:28,589
committee who's on board with us one

1351
00:56:32,180 --> 00:56:30,060
night it was wonderful yeah but he was

1352
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:32,190
some pictures that you see like that the

1353
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:33,570
Hubble was taken and then they gonna put

1354
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:36,180
the James Webb satellite up yes yes and

1355
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:38,010
that's gonna be that's gonna make Hubble

1356
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:39,240
look like the thing you buy on the

1357
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:43,410
friggin it's good yeah it's more than

1358
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:45,570
double the size mirror as the Hubble you

1359
00:56:49,339 --> 00:56:48,089
know but it's just about eight feet and

1360
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:49,349
this one's gonna be like twenty one feet

1361
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:50,970
so it's pretty good it's competitive

1362
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:53,339
Omnitech cabin they are wine wine oxide

1363
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:54,690
and dioxide in the atmospheres of

1364
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:55,800
planets and they think if it's

1365
00:56:59,870 --> 00:56:57,300
concentrated you tell that's or a city

1366
00:57:01,240 --> 00:56:59,880
or something well yeah yeah let me let

1367
00:57:03,980 --> 00:57:01,250
me let me just give you one quick thing

1368
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:03,990
okay our planet has a lot of oxygen in

1369
00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:05,880
the atmosphere and so we're just used to

1370
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:07,230
that and think oh well you know oxygen

1371
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:08,490
in the atmosphere and normal

1372
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:10,290
let's find planets and have oxygen and

1373
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,260
you know maybe that's a life thing but

1374
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:14,640
you have to look at why there's oxygen

1375
00:57:20,540 --> 00:57:17,610
into the atmosphere oxygen loves to bind

1376
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:20,550
with stuff it loves to dive into the

1377
00:57:26,350 --> 00:57:22,920
soils and bind yo you know what calcium

1378
00:57:28,850 --> 00:57:26,360
becomes calcium you know compounds

1379
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:28,860
oxides of all kinds and it's an oxidizer

1380
00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:31,800
right so it tends to bind with things so

1381
00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:33,270
left alone if there was nothing to

1382
00:57:37,310 --> 00:57:35,700
replenish the oxygen it would be gone in

1383
00:57:39,350 --> 00:57:37,320
just a few million years or a few

1384
00:57:41,570 --> 00:57:39,360
hundred million years right so so that

1385
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:41,580
means something's replenishing it and

1386
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:42,630
what is that something well it could be

1387
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:44,700
volcanic activity in which case you'd

1388
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,210
have methane ammonia and other you know

1389
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:49,920
water vapor of course in the atmosphere

1390
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:52,140
and of course oxygen with that well yes

1391
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:54,690
if that's the case if you can detect a

1392
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:56,220
planet's atmosphere in exoplanets

1393
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:58,530
atmosphere if you see oxygen and carbon

1394
00:58:04,580 --> 00:58:01,680
dioxide yes well then you know that it's

1395
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:04,590
probably being replaced probably by life

1396
00:58:10,550 --> 00:58:08,610
oh because on our planet oxygen is being

1397
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,560
replenished and many people think it's

1398
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:12,720
in the rainforests of the give us the

1399
00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:14,490
oxygen okay that's actually only half

1400
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:16,920
the picture it's the plankton in the

1401
00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:19,290
ocean that are the biggest well almost

1402
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:21,390
the biggest producers of oxygen they

1403
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:23,130
they actually sort of share they run

1404
00:58:40,220 --> 00:58:25,530
that connect with you know plants green

1405
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:40,230
plants well if you join this guy for

1406
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:42,780
life dream I can promise you that in

1407
00:58:47,090 --> 00:58:44,730
terms that you'll certainly understand

1408
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:47,100
and know something more than you did

1409
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:52,920
when you came in possibly Hey look I get

1410
00:59:00,380 --> 00:58:57,680
a lot with type 2 Mike then Antonio

1411
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:00,390
Antonio that time okay

1412
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:05,369
Antonio de antionio Antonio with a Dean

1413
00:59:09,050 --> 00:59:07,290
from it okay so Antonio so you've been

1414
00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:09,060
on TV just say ten years you've been

1415
00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:10,590
through a list well no no I was like

1416
00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:12,780
I've been unlike about ten different

1417
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:15,420
networks you know here and there but I'm

1418
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:17,310
on discovery and Learning Channel

1419
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:21,119
now and I think history hey you know I

1420
00:59:23,530 --> 00:59:22,010
write boys

1421
00:59:26,620 --> 00:59:23,540
get confuse I'm not sure which one but

1422
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:26,630
it's NASA's unexplained files I've been

1423
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:28,310
in in all the seasons of that show and

1424
00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:30,890
then what on earth are you for the

1425
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,900
seasons of that show too so right and

1426
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:35,359
they're up the four seasons so pay the

1427
00:59:42,010 --> 00:59:40,400
four seasons so so so in I wanted to ask

1428
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:42,020
two questions did they pay you

1429
00:59:45,340 --> 00:59:44,000
do they make it worth your while to to

1430
00:59:45,970 --> 00:59:45,350
be showing up all the time on these

1431
00:59:49,710 --> 00:59:45,980
shows

1432
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:49,720
well I run a visual effects business so

1433
00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:53,330
for my business and I can't do this for

1434
01:00:00,220 --> 00:59:56,150
nothing all right okay yes yeah so I do

1435
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:00,230
have to you know get paid for it they

1436
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:01,730
can't pay me to say something that's not

1437
01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:02,240
true

1438
01:00:06,220 --> 01:00:04,070
all right yeah yeah and they have tried

1439
01:00:08,310 --> 01:00:06,230
not them in particular but I did a

1440
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:08,320
another show called aliens on the moon

1441
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:10,670
which was all over Netflix for a while

1442
01:00:14,650 --> 01:00:13,520
it's still out there okay and it was

1443
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:14,660
done by the same guy that did alien

1444
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:17,330
autopsy now I was supposed to have all

1445
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:20,930
that all that moon crater footage and in

1446
01:00:25,780 --> 01:00:23,050
photos they wanted me to analyze okay

1447
01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:25,790
weeks before the show you know was being

1448
01:00:31,690 --> 01:00:28,190
filmed and they came here okay to do it

1449
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:31,700
yep well they showed up at like 9:00 in

1450
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:33,140
the morning and they were shooting I

1451
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:36,050
still didn't have the footage okay they

1452
01:00:40,060 --> 01:00:38,210
set up and we started taping at 2:00 in

1453
01:00:42,580 --> 01:00:40,070
the afternoon I still didn't have the

1454
01:00:43,870 --> 01:00:42,590
footage okay I didn't get the footage

1455
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:43,880
until 10:00 p.m. at night

1456
01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:46,490
Wow they stayed out that whole time what

1457
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,070
a drag and they oh yeah they sometimes

1458
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:51,920
go until you know 14 15 hours but that's

1459
01:00:58,300 --> 01:00:54,950
my typical awakens time cycle I mean I'm

1460
01:01:00,640 --> 01:00:58,310
14 15 hours normally Wow leading away at

1461
01:01:03,250 --> 01:01:00,650
your wake 15 hours sleep 15 hours

1462
01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:03,260
no no I'm normally awake for a long time

1463
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:05,030
I get very little sleep and I hold is a

1464
01:01:12,250 --> 01:01:07,940
whole lot kind of how well we awake I

1465
01:01:14,109 --> 01:01:12,260
mean 24 hours a day probably see 6 6

1466
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:14,119
hours a night most people sleep about 8

1467
01:01:18,849 --> 01:01:15,770
do they really you're supposed to get

1468
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:18,859
great hours really really yeah you know

1469
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:22,250
I do understand that and sometimes I'll

1470
01:01:25,300 --> 01:01:23,930
let myself sleep for that long and then

1471
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:25,310
you just feel like a slug for the whole

1472
01:01:32,890 --> 01:01:30,710
day but you know so I had progressive

1473
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:32,900
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1474
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1475
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1476
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:38,960
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1477
01:01:43,450 --> 01:01:40,970
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1478
01:01:45,339 --> 01:01:43,460
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1479
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seagull whispers by bundling your auto

1480
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1481
01:01:53,019 --> 01:01:50,869
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1482
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1486
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1487
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those days companies play little games

1488
01:02:08,170 --> 01:02:04,249
like this with shows like that okay

1489
01:02:10,420 --> 01:02:08,180
you know I had supersized be there thank

1490
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,430
that guy yeah that guy yeah the guy did

1491
01:02:24,099 --> 01:02:12,319
the supersize me with McDonald's and

1492
01:02:27,970 --> 01:02:24,109
he's everything well he was here too cuz

1493
01:02:32,589 --> 01:02:27,980
he did he did yeah a show for a while it

1494
01:02:35,289 --> 01:02:32,599
was on CNN and it was trying to find get

1495
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:35,299
to the bottom of certain Morgan Spurlock

1496
01:02:45,609 --> 01:02:44,329
I yes he had a hard drive full of data

1497
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:45,619
that he had acquired by going all over

1498
01:02:49,989 --> 01:02:47,210
the United States and had all these

1499
01:02:52,930 --> 01:02:49,999
imagery from UFO sightings and his last

1500
01:02:55,809 --> 01:02:52,940
stop was here to have me look at it okay

1501
01:02:57,249 --> 01:02:55,819
yeah and and I looked at it and I'm very

1502
01:02:58,960 --> 01:02:57,259
objective because look I've had

1503
01:03:01,960 --> 01:02:58,970
experiences they may not explain did you

1504
01:03:04,539 --> 01:03:01,970
see any day no he didn't have any as far

1505
01:03:06,279 --> 01:03:04,549
as I could tell in fact I think he was

1506
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:06,289
trying to I can't I don't know this for

1507
01:03:09,249 --> 01:03:07,369
sure cuz he wouldn't admit it

1508
01:03:13,660 --> 01:03:09,259
I think one of the images was actually

1509
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:13,670
an attempt to fool me okay and not that

1510
01:03:19,390 --> 01:03:15,410
I'm you know the greatest thing since

1511
01:03:21,309 --> 01:03:19,400
sliced bread I'm not but he I think he

1512
01:03:23,890 --> 01:03:21,319
did this to try and see what my

1513
01:03:27,249 --> 01:03:23,900
capabilities were um but I think it was

1514
01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:27,259
an image taken through glass oh and you

1515
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:30,470
know I had another show where they did

1516
01:03:33,370 --> 01:03:31,970
that they actually showed me like 10 or

1517
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:33,380
15 images mhm

1518
01:03:38,019 --> 01:03:35,569
and they said real or fake real or fake

1519
01:03:40,539 --> 01:03:38,029
kind of thing okay and I went through

1520
01:03:42,999 --> 01:03:40,549
and I just gave an objective view and I

1521
01:03:44,529 --> 01:03:43,009
just remember the last one and by the

1522
01:03:46,750 --> 01:03:44,539
way my track record for that particular

1523
01:03:49,150 --> 01:03:46,760
show there were 10 images I had look

1524
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:49,160
I got all 10 correct person with a real

1525
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:53,450
erotic okay well you know unless you can

1526
01:03:57,070 --> 01:03:55,010
take a photo really really convincingly

1527
01:03:58,690 --> 01:03:57,080
right um you know it's gonna be pretty

1528
01:04:01,540 --> 01:03:58,700
easy to discern that's how I look well

1529
01:04:03,820 --> 01:04:01,550
if you have a real good photo return all

1530
01:04:05,410 --> 01:04:03,830
right yeah I don't like being you know

1531
01:04:07,030 --> 01:04:05,420
ambushed but then again I don't want to

1532
01:04:08,650 --> 01:04:07,040
hear questions ahead of time I don't

1533
01:04:10,420 --> 01:04:08,660
mind being spontaneous cuz I think

1534
01:04:12,250 --> 01:04:10,430
that's really what people want to hear

1535
01:04:13,630 --> 01:04:12,260
mm-hmm they want to hear you honestly

1536
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:13,640
perplex than they want to hear when

1537
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:15,410
you're you know thinking through an

1538
01:04:18,940 --> 01:04:16,970
answer they want to hear that part of it

1539
01:04:20,290 --> 01:04:18,950
cuz they're with you right yes with you

1540
01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:20,300
so you don't want to hear a rehearse the

1541
01:04:23,530 --> 01:04:21,950
answer so when you when when you know

1542
01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:23,540
the show is gonna be on you sit down do

1543
01:04:27,849 --> 01:04:25,190
you see the show before it's televised

1544
01:04:29,470 --> 01:04:27,859
at you you seen the edited version ready

1545
01:04:33,490 --> 01:04:29,480
just sitting in you home the first day

1546
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:33,500
oh yeah actually it's very rare that I

1547
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:37,250
get to see my own work okay so I saw a

1548
01:04:41,710 --> 01:04:39,410
couple episodes of one on earth wait a

1549
01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:41,720
minute but are you saying you don't

1550
01:04:46,570 --> 01:04:44,030
watch yourself on TV you're one of them

1551
01:04:48,370 --> 01:04:46,580
of the shows you don't I'd be I'd watch

1552
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:48,380
the frickin thing ten times a day you

1553
01:04:57,220 --> 01:04:53,690
don't I'd keep watch it - why wouldn't

1554
01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:57,230
you watch well I think because it would

1555
01:05:00,340 --> 01:04:58,970
for me it would then be this is I

1556
01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:00,350
already did this so I wouldn't be

1557
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:03,590
enjoying watching for information I'd be

1558
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:06,410
watching to watch myself and I might be

1559
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:08,000
more critical of me because I already

1560
01:05:11,890 --> 01:05:09,200
know the story I already know the

1561
01:05:13,630 --> 01:05:11,900
outcome so watching me is not

1562
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:13,640
comfortable for me I don't I don't need

1563
01:05:18,250 --> 01:05:16,250
to do that they think it's good that's

1564
01:05:20,530 --> 01:05:18,260
in this place if you're in his place

1565
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:20,540
right would you watch yourself on TV I

1566
01:05:23,859 --> 01:05:22,130
would promise a little bit of it than I

1567
01:05:25,690 --> 01:05:23,869
probably say you know what I don't need

1568
01:05:27,550 --> 01:05:25,700
to I don't need to do this anymore

1569
01:05:29,859 --> 01:05:27,560
it's over I know it's seniors answer is

1570
01:05:31,930 --> 01:05:29,869
go would be they're watching a 15 times

1571
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:31,940
a day like that would be why I'm playing

1572
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:33,710
bad boys - right now in the background

1573
01:05:39,099 --> 01:05:37,250
why we're doing this show would you just

1574
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:39,109
wind it you're on TV when you just want

1575
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:40,850
to know everything about you know what

1576
01:05:50,050 --> 01:05:44,720
you look like and how you listen you

1577
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:50,060
know you know James Oberg yes James and

1578
01:05:54,849 --> 01:05:52,730
I did a show yeah separately but you

1579
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:54,859
know together on this one episode you

1580
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,570
know and I think it was aliens on the

1581
01:05:59,650 --> 01:05:57,920
moon where he was consulted I was

1582
01:06:04,270 --> 01:05:59,660
consulted we both did a part

1583
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:04,280
uh-huh and I got I wore a red shirt the

1584
01:06:09,340 --> 01:06:06,050
day of the shooting and I was talking

1585
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:09,350
about these craters and he noticed that

1586
01:06:12,130 --> 01:06:11,450
I always had more to say but they never

1587
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:12,140
let me finish

1588
01:06:17,170 --> 01:06:14,930
so I was saying things like yeah this is

1589
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,180
interesting looking but and then it went

1590
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:19,520
to commercial or it changed and this guy

1591
01:06:23,470 --> 01:06:21,290
thinks it's this and they never got back

1592
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,480
to me for me to finish the sentence say

1593
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:25,520
but this is actually just a crater huh

1594
01:06:31,210 --> 01:06:28,970
okay and so basically I was basically

1595
01:06:32,590 --> 01:06:31,220
the sacrifice it seemed to him so he

1596
01:06:34,580 --> 01:06:32,600
wrote me and said haha

1597
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:34,590
you're the redshirt guy in Star Trek

1598
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:42,730
thanks for writing and nice to meet you

1599
01:07:02,290 --> 01:07:00,250
showing you pictures of these things

1600
01:07:05,530 --> 01:07:02,300
yeah I mean they're they're setting you

1601
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:05,540
up because you know retouching in

1602
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:08,450
today's world they can get they can do a

1603
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:10,010
lot I know some really good photo

1604
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:12,740
researchers and they can do stuff you'd

1605
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:14,750
be pretty high pressed to tell and and

1606
01:07:19,090 --> 01:07:16,990
it's not it's not fair to hand you

1607
01:07:21,490 --> 01:07:19,100
pictures and say you know these rila

1608
01:07:23,110 --> 01:07:21,500
they are they fake when you don't know

1609
01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:23,120
how much work yeah you have a Scotty

1610
01:07:31,330 --> 01:07:26,230
always always work to react except

1611
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:31,340
except part of my business is making

1612
01:07:38,860 --> 01:07:35,030
those very same types of imagery oh I

1613
01:07:41,410 --> 01:07:38,870
know what people do to make fake looking

1614
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,420
photos I make them myself for you know

1615
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:43,760
photorealistic things I have submarines

1616
01:07:47,350 --> 01:07:45,170
that I've made on water it looked like

1617
01:07:50,740 --> 01:07:47,360
there are water okay but they're not

1618
01:07:52,420 --> 01:07:50,750
real they're fake but I generate them I

1619
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:52,430
have an earth that I have Genet I

1620
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:54,770
generate on earth complete with clouds

1621
01:07:59,170 --> 01:07:57,920
even the sunset looking Sun when you add

1622
01:08:01,300 --> 01:07:59,180
looking at it on the edge through the

1623
01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:01,310
atmosphere nice it all works right

1624
01:08:05,950 --> 01:08:03,500
according to the physics and this is a

1625
01:08:08,530 --> 01:08:05,960
generated earth I did it initially for

1626
01:08:11,530 --> 01:08:08,540
the studio with the dog at Trumbull at

1627
01:08:13,569 --> 01:08:11,540
the studio to try and you know show him

1628
01:08:17,289 --> 01:08:13,579
kinda what I could do

1629
01:08:19,569 --> 01:08:17,299
right and this ended up being like

1630
01:08:21,970 --> 01:08:19,579
princess you once you get good at

1631
01:08:24,459 --> 01:08:21,980
building that type of imagery you can

1632
01:08:27,999 --> 01:08:24,469
recognize the other artists at work oh

1633
01:08:32,379 --> 01:08:28,009
wow I should right and so I had a case

1634
01:08:35,019 --> 01:08:32,389
back in 2008 actually long time ago it

1635
01:08:37,450 --> 01:08:35,029
was called the Tahoe drone from the

1636
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:37,460
press all right and they were these

1637
01:08:41,019 --> 01:08:38,719
things that were shown photographs

1638
01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:41,029
flying over telephone poles and you know

1639
01:08:47,740 --> 01:08:43,480
all the proper things in the foreground

1640
01:08:49,930 --> 01:08:47,750
that made you think they were in the way

1641
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:49,940
oh wow and the thing was behind them far

1642
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,369
up in this guy Wow Wow but I took it

1643
01:08:57,609 --> 01:08:54,880
apart from the point of view of a

1644
01:09:00,970 --> 01:08:57,619
computer graphics guy I looked at it and

1645
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,980
said hmm if I was really using a camera

1646
01:09:04,629 --> 01:09:02,239
and this is where you have to be a

1647
01:09:06,519 --> 01:09:04,639
computer graphics guy you have to be a

1648
01:09:08,589 --> 01:09:06,529
photographer you have to understand how

1649
01:09:10,450 --> 01:09:08,599
cameras work all that yes I looked at it

1650
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:10,460
and said because I understand how light

1651
01:09:14,259 --> 01:09:12,289
meters on the camera work this thing

1652
01:09:16,899 --> 01:09:14,269
shot up in the sky you can see the

1653
01:09:20,620 --> 01:09:16,909
bottom very clearly yes yes no and it's

1654
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:20,630
it's it's at a gray level that would be

1655
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:22,369
what you would expect when you did a

1656
01:09:27,220 --> 01:09:24,799
normally properly exposed dark area on

1657
01:09:29,049 --> 01:09:27,230
an object like this okay however the

1658
01:09:31,329 --> 01:09:29,059
consequence of doing that is that the

1659
01:09:32,589 --> 01:09:31,339
sky would be blown out and much brighter

1660
01:09:34,689 --> 01:09:32,599
it wouldn't be blue if you're almost

1661
01:09:36,729 --> 01:09:34,699
white so you have an eye for this stuff

1662
01:09:38,859 --> 01:09:36,739
is what you're saying yes you have to

1663
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:38,869
and I looked at that and I called it a

1664
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:40,190
hoax right from the very start

1665
01:09:43,419 --> 01:09:42,170
mm-hmm I got all kinds of flack for that

1666
01:09:44,829 --> 01:09:43,429
oh you can't believe it but know what I

1667
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:44,839
don't have an ego to Bruce and I don't

1668
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,210
also I don't you know I don't I can't be

1669
01:09:50,859 --> 01:09:48,799
swayed if I think that the science or

1670
01:09:52,839 --> 01:09:50,869
the data doesn't stand up well hey this

1671
01:09:54,490 --> 01:09:52,849
data doesn't stand up it's like the two

1672
01:09:59,169 --> 01:09:54,500
videos the Pentagon just released right

1673
01:10:01,089 --> 01:09:59,179
okay in both of those videos I just sent

1674
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,099
my report off yesterday actually yes um

1675
01:10:08,529 --> 01:10:03,679
to the mutual UFO network that the Jan

1676
01:10:10,750 --> 01:10:08,539
Harlan uh and it says basically this if

1677
01:10:12,910 --> 01:10:10,760
these are real a real event these videos

1678
01:10:14,379 --> 01:10:12,920
don't show it these videos don't show

1679
01:10:18,430 --> 01:10:14,389
anything that's acting out of the

1680
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:18,440
ordinary and there's a one two videos

1681
01:10:22,299 --> 01:10:20,449
one's called a gimbal video right it you

1682
01:10:24,879 --> 01:10:22,309
know you hear a guy in a transit

1683
01:10:26,919 --> 01:10:24,889
transcript saying it's rotating and you

1684
01:10:27,339 --> 01:10:26,929
know showing it you know it's rotating

1685
01:10:29,260 --> 01:10:27,349
but

1686
01:10:31,959 --> 01:10:29,270
what's actually happening there I

1687
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:31,969
believe is the same anything that

1688
01:10:35,589 --> 01:10:33,409
happens when you have a filter over the

1689
01:10:37,810 --> 01:10:35,599
end of a camera and that filters say is

1690
01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:37,820
a star filter or it's a right in a

1691
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:39,590
prismatic filter as you rotate the

1692
01:10:44,770 --> 01:10:42,409
filter so two goes the effect but the

1693
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:44,780
scene doesn't change right I think this

1694
01:10:50,649 --> 01:10:48,050
was an or an infrared flare okay caused

1695
01:10:53,050 --> 01:10:50,659
by too high again and there's no too

1696
01:10:57,609 --> 01:10:53,060
bright basically for the infrared camera

1697
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:57,619
and when the the pod on this f-18 Hornet

1698
01:11:02,109 --> 01:10:58,730
if you understand that the whole

1699
01:11:04,330 --> 01:11:02,119
scenario these two videos and when the

1700
01:11:05,919 --> 01:11:04,340
pot on is it f-18 Hornet was adjusting

1701
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:05,929
it would bump a little and you'd see the

1702
01:11:12,220 --> 01:11:08,719
bump only at that time did the thing

1703
01:11:13,810 --> 01:11:12,230
rotate that's when something on the end

1704
01:11:14,859 --> 01:11:13,820
of the lens that's in this thing which I

1705
01:11:17,109 --> 01:11:14,869
don't understand you could I don't know

1706
01:11:19,810 --> 01:11:17,119
the internal workings otters yeah that's

1707
01:11:20,979 --> 01:11:19,820
a company secret for Raytheon but that's

1708
01:11:23,709 --> 01:11:20,989
when something at the end of this thing

1709
01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:23,719
on the end of this pod rotated right

1710
01:11:28,060 --> 01:11:25,070
okay well let me ask you just win the

1711
01:11:29,709 --> 01:11:28,070
pilots the both of the pilots were

1712
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,719
veteran pilots wouldn't they know that

1713
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:31,280
when they have seen that a hundred

1714
01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:33,650
friggin times and they're all their

1715
01:11:38,979 --> 01:11:37,070
hours in flight yes if you believe the

1716
01:11:39,819 --> 01:11:38,989
transcript is actual okay all right yes

1717
01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:39,829
that's another show

1718
01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:42,230
let me I guess another sticky point and

1719
01:11:46,990 --> 01:11:43,550
run commander and I talked about it

1720
01:11:51,970 --> 01:11:47,000
another look place and we you know I

1721
01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:51,980
think we I defer to him because I'm not

1722
01:11:56,859 --> 01:11:54,440
a specialist on communications in the

1723
01:11:59,109 --> 01:11:56,869
cockpit yes and he listened to it and

1724
01:12:01,930 --> 01:11:59,119
you know he thought it was reasonable I

1725
01:12:03,459 --> 01:12:01,940
think he still think that I got two

1726
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:03,469
questions that I have to ask you before

1727
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:06,800
we gotta go okay okay number one I just

1728
01:12:10,899 --> 01:12:09,170
wanna go on record as saying this your

1729
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:10,909
friend Doug Trumbo you said that he did

1730
01:12:15,819 --> 01:12:13,280
some work on Close Encounters right yeah

1731
01:12:17,770 --> 01:12:15,829
did all the visual effects yeah okay

1732
01:12:21,310 --> 01:12:17,780
Here I am spitballing to Hollywood

1733
01:12:23,530 --> 01:12:21,320
remake that film reboot that film and

1734
01:12:25,540 --> 01:12:23,540
you will you'll people go nuts if you

1735
01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:25,550
just do it right remember I mean it's a

1736
01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:27,320
great film I wrote my college

1737
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:28,780
dissertation on

1738
01:12:33,570 --> 01:12:31,600
okay Wow all right but they replies in

1739
01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:33,580
it it's not a perfect thing these days

1740
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:36,040
now now you you've the flowers a lot of

1741
01:12:38,970 --> 01:12:37,360
it and the special effects a lot of the

1742
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:38,980
people at the end you can tell they just

1743
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:41,940
said where we breathing is that you call

1744
01:12:46,890 --> 01:12:45,310
right and you could tell they were just

1745
01:12:48,090 --> 01:12:46,900
kind of he said look at the ceiling look

1746
01:12:49,470 --> 01:12:48,100
at the ceiling and then they put in

1747
01:12:51,420 --> 01:12:49,480
their backs and you know they don't have

1748
01:12:53,730 --> 01:12:51,430
them you can get around that now you can

1749
01:12:55,380 --> 01:12:53,740
just build a better story about Richard

1750
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:55,390
Dreyfuss you know seeing the thing I

1751
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:56,770
think it would be a great friggin movie

1752
01:13:05,220 --> 01:12:58,330
to reboot they reboot everything else

1753
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,230
you remember Blade Runner yep I think

1754
01:13:10,340 --> 01:13:07,120
you could and I read once that the

1755
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:10,350
original script Kahwa instead of

1756
01:13:15,150 --> 01:13:13,360
Dreyfuss being the you know telephone

1757
01:13:17,580 --> 01:13:15,160
lineman okay it was supposed to be like

1758
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:17,590
a F was officer a young lieutenant

1759
01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:19,810
trying to find his almost like x-files a

1760
01:13:23,790 --> 01:13:21,940
traverse yeah he didn't believe and then

1761
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:23,800
he gradually believed that he sees them

1762
01:13:28,410 --> 01:13:26,530
you know it was a cool move yeah I seen

1763
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:28,420
that movie more than any other movie at

1764
01:13:34,230 --> 01:13:31,780
least 30 40 times you know it's but it's

1765
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:34,240
but this was and I think he just the

1766
01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:35,860
second thing this is a email from the

1767
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:39,550
audience can you can you get let's say

1768
01:13:44,850 --> 01:13:42,850
girls from being on these shows you know

1769
01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:44,860
they come on to you because you're

1770
01:13:52,230 --> 01:13:46,600
somewhat of a celebrity has that ever

1771
01:13:54,570 --> 01:13:52,240
come up in the soup yeah in a sense but

1772
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:54,580
you know what I don't think of myself as

1773
01:14:01,680 --> 01:13:56,410
any great prize and I don't carry myself

1774
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:01,690
as one so if people think that well you

1775
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:07,840
know that's on them you know but there's

1776
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:11,170
people who who are attracted to you know

1777
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:14,590
I think intelligence in a lot of ways

1778
01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:16,960
and if there's someone who's doing this

1779
01:14:20,130 --> 01:14:18,520
and lean that come out and talk about it

1780
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:20,140
but it's also you know semi-intelligent

1781
01:14:25,650 --> 01:14:23,410
about it and I think that is attractive

1782
01:14:27,420 --> 01:14:25,660
to many people I guess rupees for

1783
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:27,430
everything there's a benefit in marrying

1784
01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:29,770
smart chicks right because they don't

1785
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:34,120
have to be so smart they say there's a

1786
01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:35,650
benefit to marrying a

1787
01:14:39,899 --> 01:14:37,780
women - really yeah what could that

1788
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:39,909
possibly be you know they think we're

1789
01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:46,530
gracious that's gonna get well listen

1790
01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:51,460
okay listen interesting cat as they used

1791
01:14:55,380 --> 01:14:53,350
to say we should have you back on and

1792
01:14:57,419 --> 01:14:55,390
just talk talk about Roswell for an hour

1793
01:14:59,850 --> 01:14:57,429
or something like that you know yeah I

1794
01:15:02,280 --> 01:14:59,860
was out there I did yeah I spoke at the

1795
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:02,290
Rose Bowl nothing happened right

1796
01:15:06,959 --> 01:15:04,570
nothing happened oh right correct all

1797
01:15:11,180 --> 01:15:06,969
right I see that enough for me the

1798
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:11,190
jury's still out on that okay okay I

1799
01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:14,080
believe that it was a government project

1800
01:15:21,959 --> 01:15:19,270
covering up right but all of the garbage

1801
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:21,969
that came up after it that was thrown in

1802
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:23,679
by someone looking to get famous or

1803
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:24,850
thrown in by people looking to get

1804
01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:27,850
popular all that stuff in order to get

1805
01:15:38,490 --> 01:15:35,760
all that stuff is is is stuff that

1806
01:15:40,590 --> 01:15:38,500
muddies the water and and obvious gates

1807
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:40,600
the truth and that's something that then

1808
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:43,570
you know that's why I say when we fry

1809
01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:46,090
our aerial anomaly detection system okay

1810
01:15:49,229 --> 01:15:47,830
for that system we're gonna have

1811
01:15:51,630 --> 01:15:49,239
instrumentation that's gonna actually

1812
01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:51,640
check for entry and exit from our

1813
01:15:55,649 --> 01:15:53,980
dimensional space x y&z all moving

1814
01:15:58,740 --> 01:15:55,659
through time no yes

1815
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,750
and if if we can find that then that's a

1816
01:16:01,919 --> 01:16:00,159
smoking gun so if we see a light in the

1817
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,929
sky and the camera that's seeing visual

1818
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:04,000
stuff okay and then the light winks out

1819
01:16:06,959 --> 01:16:05,290
well then anyone can say oh well that

1820
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:06,969
was just a plane and turned away and

1821
01:16:11,010 --> 01:16:08,320
it's landing lights are on and no not

1822
01:16:15,149 --> 01:16:11,020
president anymore or you'll say I was a

1823
01:16:17,130 --> 01:16:15,159
satellite and it faded away huh or if

1824
01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:17,140
you know that that thing winked out at

1825
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:18,760
the same exact time you got a burst of

1826
01:16:23,490 --> 01:16:21,670
gamma rays okay okay and the local

1827
01:16:25,740 --> 01:16:23,500
magnetic field changed and fluctuated

1828
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,750
right at that point see it's the

1829
01:16:31,169 --> 01:16:28,239
evidence all taken together that gives

1830
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:31,179
the case its strength el sol how did we

1831
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:32,890
how do we get to talk about this we have

1832
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:34,210
talked about picking up chick right

1833
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:35,290
about two minutes ago

1834
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:37,360
how do we get from there to there hey

1835
01:16:41,070 --> 01:16:39,280
listen we gotta go we obviously but

1836
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:41,080
listen please come back on again soon

1837
01:16:47,220 --> 01:16:44,409
okay great that the audience really

1838
01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:47,230
enjoys listen to you so that is Mike din

1839
01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:47,880
and Tony

1840
01:16:52,430 --> 01:16:49,980
Just Dance Dantonio you'll get it right

1841
01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:52,440
what am I saying dan Antonio yeah you're

1842
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:54,060
seeing the ad in this okay

1843
01:17:03,260 --> 01:16:56,760
Dantonio okay alright Dan and Dan is a

1844
01:17:04,820 --> 01:17:03,270
yogurt so Tony oh thanks for joining us

1845
01:17:06,860 --> 01:17:04,830
and listen we'll be in touch with you

1846
01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:06,870
when we can talk again real soon okay

1847
01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:20,180
see you later bye bark bye thanks Mike

1848
01:17:24,230 --> 01:17:22,920
commander you know what we didn't still

1849
01:17:38,990 --> 01:17:24,240
don't missile them let's get it over

1850
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:39,000
with you ready ready don't really that's

1851
01:17:46,700 --> 01:17:42,930
the name that's a good name

1852
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:46,710
hey listen now wait the concourse that

1853
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,060
we just had if that's the right word

1854
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:50,880
maybe not when we take a long do ad now

1855
01:17:55,490 --> 01:17:52,890
and when we come back we'll have

1856
01:17:57,620 --> 01:17:55,500
hopefully Emily m and switchblade

1857
01:17:59,180 --> 01:17:57,630
talking to us about what's been going on

1858
01:18:05,570 --> 01:17:59,190
down there and that point pleasure to

1859
01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:05,580
Jen DePalma Bob Mothman show here on the

1860
01:18:09,580 --> 01:18:07,800
distant fund the radio network this is

1861
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:09,590
Mac Maloney

1862
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:14,250
sure we have going on here tonight al

1863
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:16,290
renowned Oh UFO mechanic is here in the

1864
01:18:21,890 --> 01:18:19,920
house with us good evening l11 isn't

1865
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:21,900
here girls he's out in a secret mission

1866
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:24,810
that we have hoping to talk to him this

1867
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:26,490
time next week so you can you know

1868
01:18:31,130 --> 01:18:28,800
forget the flood of emails you know that

1869
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:31,140
I know what coming out way 1-1 next week

1870
01:18:38,540 --> 01:18:35,790
girls we promise and the Cobra with hiko

1871
01:18:41,630 --> 01:18:38,550
won't know maybe animal husbandry oh

1872
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:41,640
that's right he's suckling his goats you

1873
01:18:45,740 --> 01:18:43,770
know and believe it or not that makes

1874
01:18:48,690 --> 01:18:45,750
sense if you heard the first pilot show

1875
01:18:52,650 --> 01:18:48,700
and also

1876
01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:52,660
Oh switchblade is here with us calling

1877
01:18:59,190 --> 01:18:53,110
in

1878
01:19:00,180 --> 01:18:59,200
bowl of flakes Battle Creek Michigan how

1879
01:19:03,870 --> 01:19:00,190
are you doing that tonight they're

1880
01:19:07,730 --> 01:19:03,880
switching I am freezing my took us off

1881
01:19:11,730 --> 01:19:07,740
Wow okay you know hold on

1882
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:11,740
it is cold it's very cold here I mean it

1883
01:19:17,610 --> 01:19:14,800
was what was the two degrees today no

1884
01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:17,620
yes it's been I mean the wind chills you

1885
01:19:23,490 --> 01:19:20,140
just we're setting records for low

1886
01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:23,500
temperature I think we're tied with 1907

1887
01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:24,310
uh-huh

1888
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:26,200
or something to that effect so many days

1889
01:19:34,050 --> 01:19:29,170
not climbing out of yeah you know single

1890
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:34,060
digits Christmas yes and it's it's a

1891
01:19:41,310 --> 01:19:39,610
drag man nothing good nothing except we

1892
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,320
did wipe down the beach yesterday though

1893
01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:42,880
you know went down to the water

1894
01:19:47,820 --> 01:19:45,910
just real quick but it was it was so

1895
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:47,830
cold that like little swirls of vapor

1896
01:19:52,260 --> 01:19:49,690
were coming up from the waves and stuff

1897
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:52,270
yeah yeah that's cool man you got a

1898
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:55,330
notice off of the propane and oil do ya

1899
01:20:00,150 --> 01:19:57,730
just everywhere concept of my house

1900
01:20:01,650 --> 01:20:00,160
stick to chewin up there eating oil in

1901
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:01,660
there in their propane like nobody's

1902
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:03,310
business and the wood and so on see boy

1903
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:09,530
[Music]

1904
01:20:13,380 --> 01:20:12,130
switch so how you doing up there well do

1905
01:20:14,910 --> 01:20:13,390
you have those kind of problems up there

1906
01:20:18,030 --> 01:20:14,920
in Battle Creek or is it just fun all

1907
01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:18,040
the time well you know how they say that

1908
01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:20,260
if you're from Michigan you must be used

1909
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:21,790
to the cold weather you can handle it

1910
01:20:30,450 --> 01:20:27,730
it's not true oh really three shirts

1911
01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:30,460
right now okay all right TMI but that's

1912
01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:36,190
okay also with you in tandem the very

1913
01:20:45,450 --> 01:20:38,500
young I have to say I'm sorry they're

1914
01:20:48,750 --> 01:20:45,460
very lovely Emily hello all right so you

1915
01:20:50,490 --> 01:20:48,760
screwed me now okay okay okay

1916
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:50,500
hello Emily do you have three shirts on

1917
01:20:59,280 --> 01:20:55,840
or is that not I do actually you do it's

1918
01:21:01,170 --> 01:20:59,290
cold here too huh in Cincinnati yeah I

1919
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:01,180
think it's nine degrees we have the same

1920
01:21:05,170 --> 01:21:02,650
wardrobe people

1921
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:05,180
there you go switch your room first one

1922
01:21:11,470 --> 01:21:09,440
of the night if I'm coming switch yeah

1923
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:11,480
huh so it's everywhere we can we go to

1924
01:21:16,330 --> 01:21:13,970
escape this you can't go to Florida wow

1925
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:16,340
that's I've heard it's in the 40s and

1926
01:21:19,780 --> 01:21:18,530
parts of Florida imagine getting a week

1927
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:19,790
in Florida the first week in January

1928
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:21,650
Florida this year and it's like fill

1929
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:23,450
those zeros yeah you gotta get your

1930
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:24,650
money back right now if you're gonna

1931
01:21:29,890 --> 01:21:26,930
take you know this time of year you to

1932
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,900
be sure you can't even trust Mexico you

1933
01:21:32,830 --> 01:21:31,280
got to go to it like a roo but you gotta

1934
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:32,840
you got to be now near the equator I

1935
01:21:39,550 --> 01:21:36,290
went to Florida for one you know for six

1936
01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:39,560
weeks one year you know from all the

1937
01:21:44,020 --> 01:21:41,630
December into the middle of January and

1938
01:21:45,850 --> 01:21:44,030
it way and it was nice it was a fall

1939
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,860
that just women and you don't I mean it

1940
01:21:49,150 --> 01:21:47,840
was just it was I'm sorry man I don't

1941
01:21:50,860 --> 01:21:49,160
like flying I don't think I didn't want

1942
01:21:54,220 --> 01:21:50,870
to live there no offense to people in

1943
01:21:55,660 --> 01:21:54,230
Florida but it is kind of cool there and

1944
01:21:57,850 --> 01:21:55,670
the one thing you don't have to put up

1945
01:21:59,860 --> 01:21:57,860
with a lot of white I'm up old people

1946
01:22:02,230 --> 01:21:59,870
talking what's not gonna do good

1947
01:22:05,530 --> 01:22:02,240
progressive brings you flow a tree with

1948
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:05,540
flow motor cycle and car insured

1949
01:22:08,650 --> 01:22:07,910
together saving money feels stress-free

1950
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:08,660
mess-free

1951
01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:11,600
light as a feather however which should

1952
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:14,030
I Drive depends on the weather

1953
01:22:19,780 --> 01:22:16,370
if it rains take the car cuz these pants

1954
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:19,790
are leather possibly pleather bundle

1955
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:21,380
your motorcycle and car insurance and

1956
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:23,570
save with progressive call 1-800

1957
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:24,850
progressive visit progressive.com

1958
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:26,810
progressive casualty insurance company

1959
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:28,250
and affiliates discounts not available

1960
01:22:35,260 --> 01:22:32,810
in all states or situations there are

1961
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:35,270
literally you know intersection see

1962
01:22:39,070 --> 01:22:36,800
where there's a drugstore at every

1963
01:22:42,460 --> 01:22:39,080
corner see I have a friend who owned

1964
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:42,470
houses on Sanibel oh yeah yeah and he

1965
01:22:46,210 --> 01:22:43,520
would say look if you're not doing

1966
01:22:47,860 --> 01:22:46,220
anything for Christmas fly down used the

1967
01:22:49,870 --> 01:22:47,870
hut with one of the houses and there's a

1968
01:22:51,940 --> 01:22:49,880
car in the garage the whole nine yards

1969
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:51,950
and we get down get out of Santa bella

1970
01:22:57,450 --> 01:22:54,020
hang out for a week the beautiful house

1971
01:23:00,250 --> 01:22:57,460
and it still wasn't really beach weather

1972
01:23:03,790 --> 01:23:00,260
it was nice it was okay but it was

1973
01:23:05,410 --> 01:23:03,800
better than being here yes but still to

1974
01:23:08,020 --> 01:23:05,420
be able to go to the beach you need to

1975
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:08,030
go keep going yeah keep going south you

1976
01:23:11,650 --> 01:23:09,890
ain't kidding you know once you get down

1977
01:23:13,930 --> 01:23:11,660
there like one thing was is going

1978
01:23:15,009 --> 01:23:13,940
swimming in that in a period of that I

1979
01:23:16,959 --> 01:23:15,019
was talking about why

1980
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:16,969
is really warm it's it's weird to get in

1981
01:23:21,159 --> 01:23:19,010
the water that's almost like bathwater

1982
01:23:22,599 --> 01:23:21,169
WOM in a way you know and there's no

1983
01:23:26,559 --> 01:23:22,609
waves down there either on the East

1984
01:23:30,009 --> 01:23:26,569
Coast anyway you know so anyway yeah

1985
01:23:31,659 --> 01:23:30,019
Emily you still be a still awake I am

1986
01:23:39,039 --> 01:23:31,669
and I'm actually thinking about how I'll

1987
01:23:40,269 --> 01:23:39,049
be in Miami next week yeah it looks like

1988
01:23:45,339 --> 01:23:40,279
it'll be in the 70s

1989
01:23:47,889 --> 01:23:45,349
maybe my radio works very nicely we can

1990
01:23:48,779 --> 01:23:47,899
you do remote for us as I say in the

1991
01:23:52,509 --> 01:23:48,789
business

1992
01:23:57,369 --> 01:23:52,519
perhaps oh okay you could gloat you

1993
01:24:01,239 --> 01:23:57,379
could tell us this is all gonna be

1994
01:24:03,309 --> 01:24:01,249
evidence someday now I just get that so

1995
01:24:06,099 --> 01:24:03,319
um you guys have put your noodles

1996
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:06,109
together and you're going to give us a

1997
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:10,010
special presentation now on this bridge

1998
01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:11,449
this very mysterious bridge that

1999
01:24:16,299 --> 01:24:14,089
connects is it Point Pleasant I always

2000
01:24:19,119 --> 01:24:16,309
get it wrong yes Point Pleasant with

2001
01:24:21,429 --> 01:24:19,129
Gallipolis Ohio okay and it's a river

2002
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:21,439
and a bridge that goes from you know

2003
01:24:25,719 --> 01:24:23,449
goes across they cross the Ohio River

2004
01:24:26,859 --> 01:24:25,729
right it's right near the canal where

2005
01:24:29,979 --> 01:24:26,869
they they're two rivers come together

2006
01:24:31,809 --> 01:24:29,989
right okay and how much time do we have

2007
01:24:33,399 --> 01:24:31,819
Mac just to give a rough idea because we

2008
01:24:35,559 --> 01:24:33,409
want to make sure we get everything in

2009
01:24:36,519 --> 01:24:35,569
then we leave to 30 minutes okay

2010
01:24:38,139 --> 01:24:36,529
excellent

2011
01:24:39,939 --> 01:24:38,149
I was going to start off just a little

2012
01:24:41,529 --> 01:24:39,949
bit with the a little bit with the

2013
01:24:43,449 --> 01:24:41,539
background and then the night of the

2014
01:24:46,209 --> 01:24:43,459
disaster and then Emily was going to

2015
01:24:48,879 --> 01:24:46,219
follow up with some of the the high

2016
01:24:50,469 --> 01:24:48,889
strangeness that preceded this and then

2017
01:24:54,250 --> 01:24:50,479
we're gonna kind of go back and forth a

2018
01:25:00,189 --> 01:24:54,260
little bit but this this was it when it

2019
01:25:02,289 --> 01:25:00,199
was first built 1928 it was they cut the

2020
01:25:05,019 --> 01:25:02,299
ribbon on May 30th Memorial Day

2021
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:05,029
it was called an Aybar change change

2022
01:25:08,679 --> 01:25:07,010
suspension bridge in you know a state of

2023
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:08,689
the art at this time they call it the

2024
01:25:13,629 --> 01:25:10,010
Silber bridge because of the aluminum

2025
01:25:16,559 --> 01:25:13,639
paint they used on it yep and it was a

2026
01:25:20,049 --> 01:25:16,569
big deal they had a crowd of 10,000 and

2027
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:20,059
it was again it was like the state of

2028
01:25:25,539 --> 01:25:22,489
the art at the time but as time went on

2029
01:25:27,609 --> 01:25:25,549
now we're going to be leading up to 1967

2030
01:25:28,990 --> 01:25:27,619
when we had this terrible tragedy of the

2031
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:29,000
bridge collapse

2032
01:25:36,729 --> 01:25:31,250
it started out with you had something

2033
01:25:41,259 --> 01:25:36,739
like oh maybe 1900 I'm sorry that's

2034
01:25:44,290 --> 01:25:41,269
what's wrong about 685 cars would cross

2035
01:25:47,290 --> 01:25:44,300
this thing a day okay well by 1967 it

2036
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:47,300
was over 9,000 a day and these vehicles

2037
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:48,800
were getting heavier the trucks are

2038
01:25:55,450 --> 01:25:50,690
getting heavier and so forth and the

2039
01:25:59,140 --> 01:25:55,460
bridge wasn't really updated and so

2040
01:26:04,870 --> 01:25:59,150
we're leading up to December 15th frigid

2041
01:26:07,959 --> 01:26:04,880
frigid December 1967 and it's extremely

2042
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:07,969
cold it's in the 20s and you know again

2043
01:26:11,140 --> 01:26:09,170
you're thinking in a picture this we're

2044
01:26:12,609 --> 01:26:11,150
leading up to Christmas I mean people

2045
01:26:15,310 --> 01:26:12,619
are going back and forth doing the

2046
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:15,320
Christmas shopping the lights on the

2047
01:26:20,169 --> 01:26:17,840
bridge were notorious for being really

2048
01:26:21,700 --> 01:26:20,179
slow to change and a lot of times people

2049
01:26:24,069 --> 01:26:21,710
you know if the bridge wasn't crowded

2050
01:26:29,049 --> 01:26:24,079
they would just run the light well here

2051
01:26:34,029 --> 01:26:29,059
this bridge is full of cars and at 4:58

2052
01:26:37,330 --> 01:26:34,039
December 15th 1967 the bridge went down

2053
01:26:39,399 --> 01:26:37,340
it was the 13th I bar one of these I

2054
01:26:41,799 --> 01:26:39,409
bars at the top of the bridge that Gabe

2055
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:41,809
loose turned out to be defective and the

2056
01:26:47,009 --> 01:26:44,210
whole thing collapsed in about 40

2057
01:26:50,490 --> 01:26:47,019
seconds to a minute Wow

2058
01:26:52,979 --> 01:26:50,500
like like a deck of cards right you know

2059
01:26:57,549 --> 01:26:52,989
it was

2060
01:26:59,859 --> 01:26:57,559
let me see there were well we lost 46

2061
01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:59,869
people 9 in this tragedy

2062
01:27:04,689 --> 01:27:02,239
they only recovered 44 of the bodies -

2063
01:27:05,950 --> 01:27:04,699
they never recovered but they've you

2064
01:27:09,310 --> 01:27:05,960
know put two and two together and they

2065
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:09,320
people you know they just disappeared so

2066
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:10,730
they knew they had must have gone down

2067
01:27:17,859 --> 01:27:16,400
right on the fridge there were I got a

2068
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:17,869
note here they don't see it right now

2069
01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:19,730
we're how many cars were actually on the

2070
01:27:23,379 --> 01:27:21,409
bridge right but there was some there

2071
01:27:25,180 --> 01:27:23,389
were several toward the end I wanted to

2072
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:25,190
tell about I was able to talk to a

2073
01:27:29,500 --> 01:27:27,440
survivor but they're all kinds of

2074
01:27:30,729 --> 01:27:29,510
stories right before I before I turn

2075
01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:30,739
this over to Emily because she's got

2076
01:27:36,580 --> 01:27:33,190
some of the really interesting stuff

2077
01:27:38,799 --> 01:27:36,590
Charlene would she was pregnant with two

2078
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:38,809
children she starts to go over across

2079
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:41,360
the bridge she feels it vibrate now her

2080
01:27:44,290 --> 01:27:42,530
father is a

2081
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:44,300
is a captain that runs one of these

2082
01:27:47,710 --> 01:27:45,890
barges back and forth okay

2083
01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:47,720
and he says sometimes the barges I've

2084
01:27:51,970 --> 01:27:49,490
actually hit the bridge at these please

2085
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:51,980
the pilings that that hold it up okay

2086
01:27:58,660 --> 01:27:55,130
and so she immediately she backs up Wow

2087
01:28:01,540 --> 01:27:58,670
she's just in time the bridge separates

2088
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:01,550
right where her car was and then the

2089
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:03,770
powerlines fall on top of the car there

2090
01:28:07,330 --> 01:28:05,210
was a state trooper another guy that

2091
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:07,340
helped her get out yep so she's one of

2092
01:28:11,860 --> 01:28:08,810
the lucky ones and just a few months

2093
01:28:14,830 --> 01:28:11,870
later her twins were born Wow

2094
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:14,840
yeah another guy Jimmy Jimmy wedge his

2095
01:28:22,450 --> 01:28:16,880
he was playing basketball for Point

2096
01:28:25,090 --> 01:28:22,460
Pleasant they were let's say they were

2097
01:28:28,810 --> 01:28:25,100
playing Ripley that night and his his

2098
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:28,820
parents were over in Ohio a restaurant

2099
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:31,370
yes and you know they heard about the

2100
01:28:35,470 --> 01:28:33,770
something problem with the bridge and he

2101
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:35,480
didn't he didn't dawn on him that they

2102
01:28:38,260 --> 01:28:36,770
might actually be on the bridge he

2103
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:38,270
assumed they were just caught in traffic

2104
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:38,930
right

2105
01:28:42,250 --> 01:28:40,370
well he never came back he played his

2106
01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:42,260
game and when it was over he was

2107
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:44,150
informed that his parents had passed

2108
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:46,730
yeah so there's one story after another

2109
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:50,650
like this Wow and this is Christmas and

2110
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:53,570
how high was the bridge switch how high

2111
01:28:59,020 --> 01:28:55,730
would you you know what I don't I don't

2112
01:29:00,160 --> 01:28:59,030
know I don't have that it was a flat

2113
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:00,170
bridge it wasn't like something going

2114
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:02,690
over let's say the mystic bridge in no

2115
01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:06,290
no it's it was a good sized bridge you

2116
01:29:10,540 --> 01:29:09,260
know right I think - I mean at least I'm

2117
01:29:12,940 --> 01:29:10,550
saying it from the movie and some

2118
01:29:14,980 --> 01:29:12,950
pictures I've seen but to have a bridge

2119
01:29:17,230 --> 01:29:14,990
collapse and have you followed the

2120
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:17,240
freezing water at night I mean that's

2121
01:29:21,550 --> 01:29:18,710
like nightmare stuff it really and truly

2122
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:21,560
yes how many people we should also

2123
01:29:28,030 --> 01:29:24,650
explain that well this bridge connected

2124
01:29:30,490 --> 01:29:28,040
Point Pleasant Virginia and in Point

2125
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:30,500
Pleasant Virginia is actually West

2126
01:29:35,950 --> 01:29:33,440
Virginia West Virginia is weeow Mothman

2127
01:29:38,410 --> 01:29:35,960
I made his first appearance and kind of

2128
01:29:41,260 --> 01:29:38,420
haunted the place for quite a while and

2129
01:29:43,330 --> 01:29:41,270
then you know um sometime after he can

2130
01:29:46,900 --> 01:29:43,340
leave the scene was tragedy happens so

2131
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:46,910
tell us what what's new well let's let's

2132
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:48,410
turn over to Emily here because this is

2133
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,810
this was actually the one of the first

2134
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:52,880
big sightings a famous one where the two

2135
01:29:58,430 --> 01:29:54,930
couples were chased by this thing

2136
01:30:00,350 --> 01:29:58,440
down route 62 was 13 months to the day

2137
01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:00,360
so let me let me turn this over to Emily

2138
01:30:03,890 --> 01:30:01,710
right now because she's got a lot of the

2139
01:30:06,020 --> 01:30:03,900
information on what John keel the author

2140
01:30:13,370 --> 01:30:06,030
of the Mothman Prophecies called the

2141
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:13,380
year of the Garuda sure yeah so like

2142
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:16,650
Steve said exactly 13 months to the day

2143
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:18,930
prior to the Silver Bridge collapsing

2144
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:21,690
was the first major sighting of the

2145
01:30:26,030 --> 01:30:23,490
Mothman by the two couples that were out

2146
01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:26,040
in what's called the TNT area outside of

2147
01:30:32,300 --> 01:30:28,710
Point Pleasant which used to be a

2148
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:32,310
storage area for munitions that were

2149
01:30:36,830 --> 01:30:34,650
manufactured during World War two and

2150
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:36,840
it's and it's still to this day a super

2151
01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:38,610
creepy area we always go out there and

2152
01:30:42,910 --> 01:30:40,710
investigate and see stuff but anyhow

2153
01:30:47,150 --> 01:30:42,920
these two couples were out there and

2154
01:30:50,380 --> 01:30:47,160
this Mothman you know this giant winged

2155
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:50,390
humanoid creature with glowing red eyes

2156
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:53,250
appears on the scene and follows their

2157
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:55,410
car and you know is keeping up with the

2158
01:31:00,170 --> 01:30:57,300
high speed that they're going down down

2159
01:31:02,750 --> 01:31:00,180
this this loadout liminal of nowhere and

2160
01:31:05,390 --> 01:31:02,760
that was really the first documented

2161
01:31:07,850 --> 01:31:05,400
sighting of the Mothman with many more

2162
01:31:10,580 --> 01:31:07,860
to continue over the course of the next

2163
01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:10,590
13 months and it seems like the the

2164
01:31:16,490 --> 01:31:14,100
sightings of the Mothman they occurred

2165
01:31:18,500 --> 01:31:16,500
during the next 13 months between that

2166
01:31:20,150 --> 01:31:18,510
initial sighting on November 15th and

2167
01:31:23,420 --> 01:31:20,160
then the bridge collapse on December

2168
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:23,430
15th of the following year and it seems

2169
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:24,930
that those sightings really tapered off

2170
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:27,690
once the bridge collapsed you hear a few

2171
01:31:31,310 --> 01:31:29,730
here and there random ones you know in

2172
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:31,320
your sense but nothing like it was

2173
01:31:38,810 --> 01:31:35,610
during those 13 months and to me oddly

2174
01:31:41,210 --> 01:31:38,820
enough it's not the Mothman so much

2175
01:31:43,820 --> 01:31:41,220
that's the weird phenomena during those

2176
01:31:46,190 --> 01:31:43,830
13 months it's everything else that came

2177
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:46,200
with it that I I think it was probably

2178
01:31:54,020 --> 01:31:49,770
all related but you have the the men in

2179
01:31:55,940 --> 01:31:54,030
black showing up and not like the Will

2180
01:31:58,520 --> 01:31:55,950
Smith's Tommy Lee Jones men and black

2181
01:32:01,450 --> 01:31:58,530
but strange men and black who don't

2182
01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:01,460
appear quite human and don't seem to

2183
01:32:06,380 --> 01:32:04,080
they look human but there's something

2184
01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:06,390
off about them and their mannerisms are

2185
01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:08,070
weird and it's almost like they don't

2186
01:32:10,819 --> 01:32:08,699
know how

2187
01:32:11,959 --> 01:32:10,829
do you know simple tasks you know and

2188
01:32:14,029 --> 01:32:11,969
they're talking to these people and they

2189
01:32:17,180 --> 01:32:14,039
show up you know in the middle of the

2190
01:32:19,310 --> 01:32:17,190
night and are frightening people there's

2191
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:19,320
that and then there's just a wave of

2192
01:32:25,580 --> 01:32:23,610
UFOs that are seen around that area so

2193
01:32:27,919 --> 01:32:25,590
many so to the point that you know when

2194
01:32:30,379 --> 01:32:27,929
John keel was in Point Pleasant and

2195
01:32:32,060 --> 01:32:30,389
investigating he and and Mary hyre the

2196
01:32:34,969 --> 01:32:32,070
the journalists there in point wasn't

2197
01:32:36,949 --> 01:32:34,979
would go out to and I forget exactly

2198
01:32:39,410 --> 01:32:36,959
where this is and Steve you might know

2199
01:32:40,879 --> 01:32:39,420
better I know there was a hill kind of

2200
01:32:41,989 --> 01:32:40,889
outside a couple miles outside of Point

2201
01:32:43,879 --> 01:32:41,999
Pleasant I think right

2202
01:32:47,390 --> 01:32:43,889
mmm that they would go to every night

2203
01:32:50,149 --> 01:32:47,400
and just see tons of these UFOs in the

2204
01:32:52,339 --> 01:32:50,159
sky and you know that I think thousands

2205
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:52,349
of people would come to this hill as

2206
01:32:57,020 --> 01:32:54,719
well and just Park and watch all these

2207
01:32:59,989 --> 01:32:57,030
lights every single night that happened

2208
01:33:02,989 --> 01:32:59,999
in that 13 month span actually

2209
01:33:05,629 --> 01:33:02,999
originally kill it because there are all

2210
01:33:07,459 --> 01:33:05,639
kinds of people with loaded guns in the

2211
01:33:09,319 --> 01:33:07,469
TNT area trying to find the Mothman

2212
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:09,329
right they originally they found that

2213
01:33:13,399 --> 01:33:11,449
this place was down south called

2214
01:33:15,259 --> 01:33:13,409
Gallipolis Ferry which was in West

2215
01:33:17,180 --> 01:33:15,269
Virginia so for a while there it was

2216
01:33:19,489 --> 01:33:17,190
very quiet and he and Mary hyre the

2217
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:19,499
reporter that he became colleague and a

2218
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:21,360
friend with they would go down there and

2219
01:33:24,949 --> 01:33:23,610
they would see if you read the Mothman

2220
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:24,959
Prophecies it's fascinating

2221
01:33:30,919 --> 01:33:26,610
what's up they saw they would go ahead

2222
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:30,929
and him yeah so I think and just the all

2223
01:33:34,430 --> 01:33:32,610
of this paranormal activity that

2224
01:33:35,930 --> 01:33:34,440
happened in and around Point Pleasant

2225
01:33:37,790 --> 01:33:35,940
between the first sighting of the

2226
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:37,800
Mothman and the Silver Bridge collapsed

2227
01:33:43,279 --> 01:33:41,010
and the fact that it it seemed to stop

2228
01:33:46,009 --> 01:33:43,289
really with the bridge collapse loose

2229
01:33:49,279 --> 01:33:46,019
the Mothman sightings the UFO well as

2230
01:33:51,529 --> 01:33:49,289
frequent UFO sightings I guess and a men

2231
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:51,539
in black that all just seemed to cut off

2232
01:33:56,419 --> 01:33:54,090
after the Silver Bridge collapse so it's

2233
01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:56,429
it's interesting to to try to figure out

2234
01:34:00,799 --> 01:33:58,920
how those are all interconnected but it

2235
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,809
seems like surely they have to be right

2236
01:34:05,239 --> 01:34:02,400
you know anytime really when you have

2237
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:05,249
any kind of UFO cases or you know flaps

2238
01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:09,170
as they call them you know when when

2239
01:34:12,859 --> 01:34:11,400
there's almost like a you can put a

2240
01:34:14,299 --> 01:34:12,869
period at the end of the sentence to a

2241
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:14,309
lot of them it's almost like you know

2242
01:34:17,870 --> 01:34:16,050
the government stops paying attention it

2243
01:34:20,029 --> 01:34:17,880
says they stopped paying attention or

2244
01:34:22,850 --> 01:34:20,039
something else you know comes along it

2245
01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:22,860
takes its place whatever but you

2246
01:34:28,250 --> 01:34:26,340
the fact that you know these UFO flaps

2247
01:34:29,690 --> 01:34:28,260
actually have an ending to him kind of

2248
01:34:31,610 --> 01:34:29,700
tells you you know well something must

2249
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:31,620
be happening there had the beginning and

2250
01:34:37,670 --> 01:34:34,770
the definite end you know so there was

2251
01:34:39,740 --> 01:34:37,680
also I mentioned Mary hyre before she

2252
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:39,750
got a very strange report from a lady

2253
01:34:44,420 --> 01:34:41,730
that two days before the bridge

2254
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:44,430
collapsed she said she saw some men

2255
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:46,650
climbing around on the bridge they were

2256
01:34:52,220 --> 01:34:49,080
wearing street shoes they were these men

2257
01:34:57,620 --> 01:34:52,230
kind of fit the general category of the

2258
01:35:01,150 --> 01:34:57,630
men in black get you know phenomena but

2259
01:35:03,470 --> 01:35:01,160
they also were wearing checkered coats

2260
01:35:04,970 --> 01:35:03,480
we've talked before about the strange

2261
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:04,980
phenomena of the man in the checkered

2262
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:08,130
shirt which is often kind of a bedroom

2263
01:35:12,860 --> 01:35:10,080
invader kind of an apparition that shows

2264
01:35:15,530 --> 01:35:12,870
up there is something in occult lore

2265
01:35:17,300 --> 01:35:15,540
where you see this and also it's kind of

2266
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:17,310
connected with the grinning man and

2267
01:35:22,220 --> 01:35:18,930
we've talked about that before

2268
01:35:24,350 --> 01:35:22,230
another strange paranormal tie-in but

2269
01:35:25,940 --> 01:35:24,360
awfully odd to see a couple men it may

2270
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:25,950
have gone again this may have nothing to

2271
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:27,360
do with anything I mean we can't be

2272
01:35:31,820 --> 01:35:29,850
definitive but two men climbing around

2273
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:31,830
the bridge a couple days before in

2274
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:33,810
Street shoes what the heck is that all

2275
01:35:38,090 --> 01:35:35,730
about really I mean they were an

2276
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:38,100
inspectors or anything like that didn't

2277
01:35:42,740 --> 01:35:40,290
seem to be talking about people climbing

2278
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:42,750
over bridges and street shoes with

2279
01:35:48,140 --> 01:35:44,730
trying to get Cobra back on the line I'm

2280
01:35:51,140 --> 01:35:48,150
sure he's done man once or twice Cobra

2281
01:35:53,810 --> 01:35:51,150
I hear the echo maybe we'll just keep on

2282
01:35:55,730 --> 01:35:53,820
calling him so um they didn't they

2283
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,740
rebuilt the Silver Bridge actually down

2284
01:36:01,550 --> 01:35:57,360
a little further and it was

2285
01:36:04,220 --> 01:36:01,560
recommissioned on December 15th 1969

2286
01:36:07,820 --> 01:36:04,230
right so that I got that going again but

2287
01:36:10,340 --> 01:36:07,830
I think it was a real blow to the

2288
01:36:13,190 --> 01:36:10,350
economy and sort of the psyche of the of

2289
01:36:15,770 --> 01:36:13,200
the people there right yeah yep you can

2290
01:36:19,630 --> 01:36:15,780
see how it would be you know so did they

2291
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:19,640
ever look into the you know the bridge

2292
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:21,810
what is that noise do you hear there's

2293
01:36:30,740 --> 01:36:23,760
somewhat of a parrot there kind of like

2294
01:36:36,650 --> 01:36:30,750
a sizzling noise Wow you have your

2295
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:36,660
parrot out again not no I don't do that

2296
01:36:43,780 --> 01:36:40,050
public all right just like I say when

2297
01:36:45,860 --> 01:36:43,790
the human tails off which comes through

2298
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:45,870
injecting funny into the room

2299
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:51,930
so anyway go ahead please okay did you

2300
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:54,000
want to continue Emily or did you say

2301
01:36:59,390 --> 01:36:56,250
Emily told me that you do have you had

2302
01:37:01,280 --> 01:36:59,400
some strange experiences connected with

2303
01:37:05,090 --> 01:37:01,290
a bridge or in her sense something is

2304
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:05,100
that is that correct her yeah that'd be

2305
01:37:10,610 --> 01:37:09,090
yeah that's interesting yeah well well

2306
01:37:11,660 --> 01:37:10,620
you were there for some of its teeth at

2307
01:37:14,750 --> 01:37:11,670
the yeah

2308
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:14,760
oh you mean oh you mean when I did the

2309
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:20,010
ghost stuff okay well she's talking

2310
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:23,040
about where where the the original

2311
01:37:30,250 --> 01:37:25,290
silver bridge used to stand okay

2312
01:37:34,910 --> 01:37:33,440
yeah so at the original bridge site the

2313
01:37:36,290 --> 01:37:34,920
site of the collapse there's a you know

2314
01:37:39,290 --> 01:37:36,300
there's a marker there with the plaque

2315
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:39,300
on it you know memorializing the spot

2316
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:42,330
and so we often go down there as a group

2317
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:44,970
and you know and a pair of respects and

2318
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:47,040
just see if anyone is hanging around and

2319
01:37:53,780 --> 01:37:50,010
as I think you all know I I sense

2320
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:53,790
spirits often and and that is a prime

2321
01:37:57,140 --> 01:37:55,380
location for them since there were so

2322
01:37:59,600 --> 01:37:57,150
many lives lost there and as well as

2323
01:38:01,040 --> 01:37:59,610
other people who may not have died in

2324
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:01,050
the bridge collapse but you know had

2325
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:02,880
family members did or were associated

2326
01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:05,010
with it and therefore they have a strong

2327
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:06,540
attachment to the area as well

2328
01:38:11,870 --> 01:38:08,970
and so almost every time we go there I

2329
01:38:13,550 --> 01:38:11,880
sense people every once in a while I

2330
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:13,560
will get a name

2331
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:16,410
some people David is someone I often

2332
01:38:21,890 --> 01:38:19,620
hear that name when we're down there I

2333
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:21,900
haven't researched enough to find out

2334
01:38:27,650 --> 01:38:24,450
who that might be another name that we

2335
01:38:30,110 --> 01:38:27,660
often get is Katherine and Katherine I

2336
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:30,120
believe was one of the two people who

2337
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:33,360
was not found if I'm not mistaken and

2338
01:38:38,770 --> 01:38:36,810
that name came very early on right but

2339
01:38:42,350 --> 01:38:38,780
we've definitely gotten some interesting

2340
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:42,360
recordings down there as well as I Steve

2341
01:38:49,370 --> 01:38:46,080
you were there for this actually yeah

2342
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:49,380
yeah you tell that okay well you said

2343
01:38:51,710 --> 01:38:50,250
the bridge

2344
01:38:52,700 --> 01:38:51,720
reason I was thinking the new bridge and

2345
01:38:54,350 --> 01:38:52,710
I thought oh I didn't know about that

2346
01:38:55,670 --> 01:38:54,360
but yeah we were down there this is a

2347
01:38:58,700 --> 01:38:55,680
few years ago I think this is probably

2348
01:39:00,800 --> 01:38:58,710
about 2010 and you know we're looking

2349
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:00,810
like real paranormal investigators man

2350
01:39:05,060 --> 01:39:02,730
we got the recorders going and doing the

2351
01:39:06,980 --> 01:39:05,070
EVP thing well unbeknownst to us you

2352
01:39:09,500 --> 01:39:06,990
know how on the TV shows will set up a

2353
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:09,510
flashlight just on the verge of being

2354
01:39:13,940 --> 01:39:11,850
turned on okay yeah totally okay that's

2355
01:39:14,900 --> 01:39:13,950
right well Emily had done that we didn't

2356
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:14,910
know it and all of a sudden this

2357
01:39:20,090 --> 01:39:17,610
flashlight turns on so and then goes off

2358
01:39:21,740 --> 01:39:20,100
again and so we're you know we're

2359
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:21,750
stamping her feet by to see if it's the

2360
01:39:25,550 --> 01:39:24,210
vibration thing or whatever and I figure

2361
01:39:28,130 --> 01:39:25,560
well heck I've seen enough of these

2362
01:39:30,740 --> 01:39:28,140
shows I know what to do right so I said

2363
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:30,750
if there's anybody here would you please

2364
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:33,570
turn the flashlight on on the count of

2365
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:37,520
three and I went one two three bang

2366
01:39:43,850 --> 01:39:39,840
flashlight comes on for three beats and

2367
01:39:46,430 --> 01:39:43,860
then goes off Wow and I said can I say

2368
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:46,440
holy expletive now everybody kind of

2369
01:39:50,420 --> 01:39:48,510
laughed and then one of our mutual

2370
01:39:52,670 --> 01:39:50,430
friends John Frick he checked the tapes

2371
01:39:56,570 --> 01:39:52,680
later and he's not sure because this

2372
01:39:58,970 --> 01:39:56,580
wasn't a class-a EVP but he thinks he

2373
01:40:06,140 --> 01:39:58,980
heard a voice say after I said can I say

2374
01:40:12,100 --> 01:40:06,150
holy now little baby like somebody

2375
01:40:12,110 --> 01:40:17,770
[Music]

2376
01:40:21,770 --> 01:40:19,880
usually try and act macho in front of

2377
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:21,780
the chicks sounds like you're doing a

2378
01:40:32,690 --> 01:40:29,820
great job the voices from beyond just go

2379
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:32,700
work out a plan to fitness well I can

2380
01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:34,770
I'd like to talk a little bit about a

2381
01:40:39,140 --> 01:40:37,500
gentleman I actually well Emily we

2382
01:40:41,060 --> 01:40:39,150
should be talking about the ceremony we

2383
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:41,070
went down for yes right yes it was very

2384
01:40:46,670 --> 01:40:43,650
moving and then toward the end we can

2385
01:40:49,550 --> 01:40:46,680
talk about bill Edmondson okay but Emily

2386
01:40:51,530 --> 01:40:49,560
and I attended the this was that the

2387
01:40:54,580 --> 01:40:51,540
third year they've done this in Point

2388
01:40:58,040 --> 01:40:54,590
Pleasant there was a a memorial ceremony

2389
01:41:01,960 --> 01:40:58,050
right down on sixth Street where the

2390
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:01,970
bridge used to empty onto and it was

2391
01:41:09,230 --> 01:41:05,310
pretty moving really what were your

2392
01:41:12,410 --> 01:41:09,240
feelings about the ceremony Emily yeah I

2393
01:41:14,540 --> 01:41:12,420
mean I thought it was great well maybe

2394
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:14,550
greats the wrong word for the occasion

2395
01:41:20,330 --> 01:41:17,130
but I mean yeah it was very moving they

2396
01:41:21,740 --> 01:41:20,340
had some great speakers that got up and

2397
01:41:23,650 --> 01:41:21,750
you know said a few words and especially

2398
01:41:27,020 --> 01:41:23,660
this year with it being the 50th

2399
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:27,030
anniversary of the collapse you know

2400
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:29,280
they had the I think they had the high

2401
01:41:35,690 --> 01:41:32,690
school choir singing Christmas songs

2402
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:35,700
they had some other people there singing

2403
01:41:42,590 --> 01:41:39,330
some some solo songs they had that the

2404
01:41:44,330 --> 01:41:42,600
somebody from the bridge Commission of

2405
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:44,340
West Virginia I think or who's a bridge

2406
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:47,250
inspector and he talked quite a bit

2407
01:41:55,190 --> 01:41:51,600
about the impact that the collapse had

2408
01:41:56,900 --> 01:41:55,200
on bridge safety you know in general and

2409
01:41:59,930 --> 01:41:56,910
all over the world and how the silver

2410
01:42:02,960 --> 01:41:59,940
bridge collapse actually prompted you

2411
01:42:05,390 --> 01:42:02,970
know major regulations that be put in

2412
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:05,400
place across the country and even you

2413
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:07,050
know in parts of the world to make sure

2414
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:09,930
that you know bridges are safe and this

2415
01:42:13,850 --> 01:42:12,090
wouldn't happen again and so the you

2416
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:13,860
know out of something so tragic actually

2417
01:42:18,170 --> 01:42:16,170
came some really good safety regulations

2418
01:42:20,060 --> 01:42:18,180
that that have affected all bridges

2419
01:42:21,980 --> 01:42:20,070
built since then and making sure that

2420
01:42:23,570 --> 01:42:21,990
they get inspected regularly and we

2421
01:42:25,790 --> 01:42:23,580
don't see something like this that's

2422
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:25,800
right something very positive came out

2423
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:29,040
of it and the lady that started this

2424
01:42:33,770 --> 01:42:30,810
three years ago was care progressive

2425
01:42:36,590 --> 01:42:33,780
brings you flow a tree with flow motor

2426
01:42:38,660 --> 01:42:36,600
cycle and car insured together

2427
01:42:40,460 --> 01:42:38,670
saving money feels stress-free mess free

2428
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:40,470
light as a feather

2429
01:42:43,730 --> 01:42:43,050
however which should I Drive depends on

2430
01:42:46,370 --> 01:42:43,740
the weather

2431
01:42:47,530 --> 01:42:46,380
if it rains take the car cuz these pants

2432
01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:47,540
are leather

2433
01:42:52,090 --> 01:42:50,510
possibly pleather bundle your motorcycle

2434
01:42:54,490 --> 01:42:52,100
and car insurance and save with

2435
01:42:56,230 --> 01:42:54,500
progressive call 1-800 progressive visit

2436
01:42:57,310 --> 01:42:56,240
progressive.com progressive casualty

2437
01:42:58,840 --> 01:42:57,320
insurance company and affiliates

2438
01:43:01,780 --> 01:42:58,850
discounts not available in all states or

2439
01:43:04,330 --> 01:43:01,790
situations Ellen Harris who we mentioned

2440
01:43:06,190 --> 01:43:04,340
before she passed last year she was one

2441
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:06,200
of the cofounders of the Mothman

2442
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:08,480
festival and she ran Harris Steakhouse

2443
01:43:13,180 --> 01:43:10,400
which was also known as the Mothman

2444
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:13,190
diner she tragically lost her little boy

2445
01:43:18,820 --> 01:43:15,770
Timmy when he was three years old he was

2446
01:43:21,580 --> 01:43:18,830
crossing the bridge with his father who

2447
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:21,590
was at the time Carolyn's ex-husband so

2448
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:23,450
she wasn't there to read the names and

2449
01:43:27,940 --> 01:43:24,530
they'd read then of course they read the

2450
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:27,950
names every year of the 46 people that

2451
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:30,890
died on the bridge and that was a little

2452
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:37,730
tough went down

2453
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:40,370
there was no bridge there for a couple

2454
01:43:48,010 --> 01:43:43,370
of years right they had to waste another

2455
01:43:51,370 --> 01:43:48,020
one up a river is it Ravenwood I think

2456
01:43:54,370 --> 01:43:51,380
so yeah they had to go way way out of

2457
01:43:55,740 --> 01:43:54,380
the way if you happen to work on one

2458
01:43:58,810 --> 01:43:55,750
side of the bridge and live on the other

2459
01:44:00,520 --> 01:43:58,820
right that was tense tough right I can

2460
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:00,530
see that making the economies around

2461
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:03,890
their disaster I had some discrepancies

2462
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:07,520
here some sources said it was 38 some 37

2463
01:44:15,550 --> 01:44:12,530
vehicles went down on the bridge but I

2464
01:44:16,810 --> 01:44:15,560
there's a just south of town on the

2465
01:44:20,050 --> 01:44:16,820
south side of town there's a river

2466
01:44:22,450 --> 01:44:20,060
museum which has you know reconstructed

2467
01:44:24,490 --> 01:44:22,460
models of the river boats has the

2468
01:44:27,700 --> 01:44:24,500
history of the area that the two rivers

2469
01:44:29,650 --> 01:44:27,710
to come together and has a great a lot

2470
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:29,660
of history on the on the bridge in the

2471
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:31,850
Silver Bridge well I met a gentleman

2472
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:34,400
named bill Edmondson there he was one of

2473
01:44:40,780 --> 01:44:36,320
the survivors that went down that night

2474
01:44:42,940 --> 01:44:40,790
he's 88 he was 38 when this happened he

2475
01:44:45,730 --> 01:44:42,950
was there at the ceremony and this next

2476
01:44:47,500 --> 01:44:45,740
day I had you know a great deal of time

2477
01:44:49,660 --> 01:44:47,510
to talk to him so he told me his story

2478
01:44:52,660 --> 01:44:49,670
and it's an incredible story he was

2479
01:44:55,090 --> 01:44:52,670
driving a truck from the West Virginia

2480
01:44:58,480 --> 01:44:55,100
side through the Ohio side he was

2481
01:45:01,179 --> 01:44:58,490
hauling some material to Detroit for one

2482
01:45:02,830 --> 01:45:01,189
of the tire companies some some

2483
01:45:05,049 --> 01:45:02,840
material used in construction of tires

2484
01:45:08,169 --> 01:45:05,059
and he's about halfway through the

2485
01:45:10,719 --> 01:45:08,179
bridge the 13th Aybar gives away and the

2486
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:10,729
bridge starts to tilt sideways so he's

2487
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:14,239
his truck is sliding toward the water he

2488
01:45:18,819 --> 01:45:16,639
grabs the wheel with his left hand to

2489
01:45:21,009 --> 01:45:18,829
keep him from sliding the truck gives

2490
01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:21,019
way he hits the water with such force

2491
01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:23,689
he's thrown through the window that

2492
01:45:31,359 --> 01:45:28,729
passenger window Wow that breaks his arm

2493
01:45:32,949 --> 01:45:31,369
he showed showed us his arm how he

2494
01:45:35,169 --> 01:45:32,959
couldn't actually stretch it out he had

2495
01:45:38,020 --> 01:45:35,179
a they had to put a pin in it so he was

2496
01:45:40,029 --> 01:45:38,030
never able to so he went he went down

2497
01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:40,039
under the water and this is but you know

2498
01:45:44,770 --> 01:45:43,129
this is uh just at sunset okay and so

2499
01:45:46,810 --> 01:45:44,780
it's you know that the waters gonna be

2500
01:45:49,149 --> 01:45:46,820
dark anyway yeah he goes down he thinks

2501
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:49,159
toward the bottom the currents start to

2502
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:51,199
pull him up and it sounds funny at first

2503
01:45:55,719 --> 01:45:53,840
but it's not his pants had come down but

2504
01:45:58,270 --> 01:45:55,729
we're still on because of his shoes so

2505
01:46:00,699 --> 01:45:58,280
he's coming up to the surface there's

2506
01:46:03,069 --> 01:46:00,709
debris still falling into the water it

2507
01:46:06,399 --> 01:46:03,079
catches his pants and starts to pull him

2508
01:46:08,679 --> 01:46:06,409
under again fortunately the pants ripped

2509
01:46:11,229 --> 01:46:08,689
over his shoes he comes to the surface

2510
01:46:14,250 --> 01:46:11,239
and the same material that he was

2511
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:14,260
hauling for these tires saved his life

2512
01:46:18,429 --> 01:46:16,729
because there's big roll of stuff and

2513
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:18,439
there's a slit in there in his right arm

2514
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:23,090
which was still fine I'm sorry his his

2515
01:46:27,219 --> 01:46:25,280
left arm that was fine he put through

2516
01:46:29,919 --> 01:46:27,229
the slit and so he was buoyant for a

2517
01:46:31,719 --> 01:46:29,929
while oh wow he he says he looks up to

2518
01:46:34,179 --> 01:46:31,729
the top of this thing and there's a

2519
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:34,189
pigeon staring down at him I mean the

2520
01:46:39,129 --> 01:46:36,320
things you notice when you're life

2521
01:46:41,919 --> 01:46:39,139
exactly probably some poor bird that

2522
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:41,929
lost his nest underneath the bridge so

2523
01:46:47,619 --> 01:46:45,199
at the same time a tugboat captain saw

2524
01:46:49,899 --> 01:46:47,629
him move the tugboat in such a way to

2525
01:46:52,389 --> 01:46:49,909
prevent him from from moving downriver

2526
01:46:54,609 --> 01:46:52,399
and catches him with this material and

2527
01:46:56,649 --> 01:46:54,619
they pull him out of the water just

2528
01:46:58,810 --> 01:46:56,659
moments before he would have probably

2529
01:47:05,049 --> 01:46:58,820
died from hypothermia right with no

2530
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:05,059
pants that's right who cares Wow you

2531
01:47:07,569 --> 01:47:05,840
know I've never

2532
01:47:10,029 --> 01:47:07,579
we've all heard we've all heard and read

2533
01:47:11,979 --> 01:47:10,039
phenomenal stories about survival but I

2534
01:47:14,079 --> 01:47:11,989
don't think anyone's ever told me

2535
01:47:19,149 --> 01:47:14,089
personally a story

2536
01:47:20,799 --> 01:47:19,159
magnitude in person and you know what

2537
01:47:23,169 --> 01:47:20,809
how can you not think about that like

2538
01:47:26,589 --> 01:47:23,179
every single night that's gonna die you

2539
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:26,599
know and he's from North Carolina now

2540
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:28,249
and you know it hats off to him for

2541
01:47:33,489 --> 01:47:30,169
making the trip his family brought him

2542
01:47:35,709 --> 01:47:33,499
up too for this this ceremony right yeah

2543
01:47:39,369 --> 01:47:35,719
yeah man wow what a story that's

2544
01:47:41,619 --> 01:47:39,379
excellent so but you know we have the

2545
01:47:46,839 --> 01:47:41,629
ceremony is that is that kobori joining

2546
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:46,849
us I am here Wow he's here okay we can

2547
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:47,449
breathe easy

2548
01:47:51,899 --> 01:47:51,050
Cobras back I really think that we

2549
01:47:54,339 --> 01:47:51,909
should discuss

2550
01:47:56,109 --> 01:47:54,349
somewhere along the line bringing the

2551
01:47:58,059 --> 01:47:56,119
radio show on the road

2552
01:48:00,899 --> 01:47:58,069
and go down to Point Pleasant West

2553
01:48:05,229 --> 01:48:00,909
Virginia for the Mothman festival

2554
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:05,239
absolutely definitely no no so we have

2555
01:48:08,379 --> 01:48:06,649
to raise now how much money would we

2556
01:48:10,540 --> 01:48:08,389
have to raise to do that to really think

2557
01:48:15,159 --> 01:48:10,550
about that now yeah of course we would

2558
01:48:16,929 --> 01:48:15,169
go one Cobra from this area okay we'd

2559
01:48:19,299 --> 01:48:16,939
have to go down there all with Jeff the

2560
01:48:22,869 --> 01:48:19,309
we'd have to bring you the sound guy you

2561
01:48:24,849 --> 01:48:22,879
know Jeff the editor you know get a win

2562
01:48:28,839 --> 01:48:24,859
a bag on something like that drive down

2563
01:48:30,219 --> 01:48:28,849
there just do a long drive overnight get

2564
01:48:32,219 --> 01:48:30,229
the West Virginia stay there for three

2565
01:48:34,569 --> 01:48:32,229
days set up the equipment and stuff

2566
01:48:39,759 --> 01:48:34,579
break it back come home so it would be

2567
01:48:42,699 --> 01:48:39,769
it would be six days six days I think

2568
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:42,709
how do you figure sixty hey if we drove

2569
01:48:47,319 --> 01:48:44,719
down and drove back in one bit

2570
01:48:48,819 --> 01:48:47,329
it's about it's about a day drive full

2571
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:48,829
day drive down to where they are in West

2572
01:48:59,739 --> 01:48:51,679
Virginia okay stay there three days stay

2573
01:49:04,839 --> 01:48:59,749
there three three and a half five six so

2574
01:49:06,510 --> 01:49:04,849
anyway yeah yeah that would three three

2575
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:06,520
grand

2576
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:09,280
I do have one more kind of an

2577
01:49:16,740 --> 01:49:13,930
interesting excuse us no condors there

2578
01:49:21,900 --> 01:49:16,750
was another bridge collapse over the Elk

2579
01:49:23,940 --> 01:49:21,910
River okay which in 1904 where the Elk

2580
01:49:27,420 --> 01:49:23,950
River is right near Charleston and it's

2581
01:49:30,900 --> 01:49:27,430
very close by and this probably is a

2582
01:49:34,890 --> 01:49:30,910
coincidence but it was the same month

2583
01:49:37,140 --> 01:49:34,900
and day 12:15 that's weird man

2584
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:37,150
wow that's now that there was only a

2585
01:49:40,500 --> 01:49:38,530
door were a few people lost their lives

2586
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:40,510
but that loss of life wasn't nearly as

2587
01:49:46,590 --> 01:49:42,850
bad which is a smaller bridge but still

2588
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:46,600
to have a bridge collapse two bridges on

2589
01:49:55,260 --> 01:49:51,360
December 15th that's almost two you know

2590
01:49:57,180 --> 01:49:55,270
almost two freakin but stuff like that

2591
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:57,190
happens you know I mean that's just a it

2592
01:50:00,930 --> 01:49:58,960
could be just the strangest weirdest

2593
01:50:04,740 --> 01:50:00,940
coincidence ever you know but still yeah

2594
01:50:06,540 --> 01:50:04,750
63 years later yeah Wow that's strange

2595
01:50:09,330 --> 01:50:06,550
but anyway getting back to that Mothman

2596
01:50:11,250 --> 01:50:09,340
festival I mean you're the ones you're

2597
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:11,260
the ones who told us that it's really

2598
01:50:21,540 --> 01:50:12,850
groovy down there people really have a

2599
01:50:24,330 --> 01:50:21,550
good time it is beyond it's my favorite

2600
01:50:27,540 --> 01:50:24,340
weekend of the year like Christmas for

2601
01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:27,550
adults really it is holy cow

2602
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:29,440
now you may want to put more money in

2603
01:50:34,290 --> 01:50:31,090
your budget because of all of the

2604
01:50:35,940 --> 01:50:34,300
vendors Oh Steve and I I don't even want

2605
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:35,950
to think about how much money we spend

2606
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:39,760
on books and t-shirts every year and the

2607
01:50:44,370 --> 01:50:41,730
Mothman museum which is well done we

2608
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:44,380
Emily like kind of get the fever when

2609
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:48,250
men die when we get down there t-shirts

2610
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:50,890
like she said books this is all you know

2611
01:50:53,940 --> 01:50:52,480
anything that says much stamp Mothman

2612
01:50:56,190 --> 01:50:53,950
even it was made in China you're gonna

2613
01:50:58,380 --> 01:50:56,200
have it huh how about that

2614
01:51:00,750 --> 01:50:58,390
you know man but really it's got

2615
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:00,760
everything it's got speakers yep from

2616
01:51:05,580 --> 01:51:03,130
not just about the Mothman but all kinds

2617
01:51:07,950 --> 01:51:05,590
of aspects of the paranormal right it's

2618
01:51:09,540 --> 01:51:07,960
got this phenomenal Museum where we were

2619
01:51:11,190 --> 01:51:09,550
people you know I know that people like

2620
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:11,200
walk up and down the street and so and

2621
01:51:14,370 --> 01:51:12,370
it's a very kind of casual atmosphere

2622
01:51:17,820 --> 01:51:14,380
but where are people congregated most of

2623
01:51:19,899 --> 01:51:17,830
the time at the Museum I write whether

2624
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:19,909
it's the museum and there's the old the

2625
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:22,639
historic low hotel okay right there on

2626
01:51:26,199 --> 01:51:24,530
one of the side streets is where most of

2627
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:26,209
the vendors are okay and a lot of those

2628
01:51:29,259 --> 01:51:27,530
the speakers have their very booth

2629
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:29,269
stared out they've this is really

2630
01:51:32,049 --> 01:51:30,800
expanded so they have stuff up and down

2631
01:51:35,229 --> 01:51:32,059
the street you know a lot of stuff for

2632
01:51:39,299 --> 01:51:35,239
food and you know blow up aliens and

2633
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:39,309
what else do they have Emily pancakes

2634
01:51:49,540 --> 01:51:47,689
blow up aliens I'm not going I'm walking

2635
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:49,550
around in the Mothman suit there's

2636
01:51:54,699 --> 01:51:51,530
usually a guy in a Bigfoot suit there

2637
01:52:02,859 --> 01:51:54,709
yeah ghostbusters you got the Stay Puft

2638
01:52:04,419 --> 01:52:02,869
Marshmallow Man listen is there is there

2639
01:52:22,689 --> 01:52:04,429
a bomb room down there that is you know

2640
01:52:25,419 --> 01:52:22,699
the place to go drink a beer in a paper

2641
01:52:30,549 --> 01:52:25,429
bag hold on Steve are you saying the

2642
01:52:37,419 --> 01:52:30,559
bomb room burnt down yes okay Cobra Oh

2643
01:52:39,969 --> 01:52:37,429
baby oh maybe it did I thought what was

2644
01:52:45,759 --> 01:52:39,979
the name of that place Emily it was the

2645
01:52:48,100 --> 01:52:45,769
double D building is still there and yes

2646
01:52:51,489 --> 01:52:48,110
I I went into it once and I can tell you

2647
01:52:52,750 --> 01:52:51,499
you don't really want to go in there but

2648
01:52:56,259 --> 01:52:52,760
I think it was the building next to it

2649
01:52:58,359 --> 01:52:56,269
okay fell down or burned down or

2650
01:53:01,239 --> 01:52:58,369
something and I have to ask you a

2651
01:53:04,179 --> 01:53:01,249
question I have to Cobra you there I am

2652
01:53:07,330 --> 01:53:04,189
sir okay didn't baba whiffs bomb room

2653
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:07,340
burned down yes yes at least you got the

2654
01:53:11,799 --> 01:53:09,650
t-shirts but they being the enterprising

2655
01:53:14,140 --> 01:53:11,809
folks they are meet in the rubble and

2656
01:53:18,580 --> 01:53:14,150
have just as good a time and the summer

2657
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:18,590
will drink of the rubble what I mean

2658
01:53:23,909 --> 01:53:20,449
don't you think it's kind of funny that

2659
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:23,919
we know people whose buys burnt them and

2660
01:53:30,969 --> 01:53:29,449
at mysterious places well it it's much

2661
01:53:33,009 --> 01:53:30,979
like the bridge is both going down on

2662
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:33,019
the same day 63 years apart at the same

2663
01:53:36,940 --> 01:53:33,930
time

2664
01:53:40,670 --> 01:53:36,950
I do like to add that the double D bar

2665
01:53:44,750 --> 01:53:40,680
does have a Facebook page just a sure

2666
01:53:46,220 --> 01:53:44,760
you're on the right page mrs. Culver

2667
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:46,230
could walk in and look at this base so

2668
01:53:51,740 --> 01:53:49,770
yes I'm not the correct thing we don't

2669
01:53:59,150 --> 01:53:51,750
hang in the rubble we hang with the

2670
01:54:01,760 --> 01:53:59,160
rabble Wow yeah yep he comes through all

2671
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:01,770
the time thank you so much E so anyway

2672
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:04,530
wait I hate to do this but it's time to

2673
01:54:11,690 --> 01:54:09,930
check the time okay oh yeah we gotta go

2674
01:54:13,700 --> 01:54:11,700
so anyway hey thanks very much for

2675
01:54:16,610 --> 01:54:13,710
joining us you too it's always

2676
01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:16,620
entertaining and informative as always

2677
01:54:22,670 --> 01:54:18,510
now you're be able to write off the trip

2678
01:54:23,540 --> 01:54:22,680
on your taxes right absolutely okay all

2679
01:54:25,460 --> 01:54:23,550
right

2680
01:54:32,330 --> 01:54:25,470
if you have any questions el the UFO

2681
01:54:33,110 --> 01:54:32,340
mechanic is also a UFO - for Paris he

2682
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:33,120
wears two hats

2683
01:54:41,450 --> 01:54:37,050
so anyway Cobra thank you as always

2684
01:54:45,470 --> 01:54:41,460
Thank You sirs lady all right and be

2685
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:45,480
sure to listen to what is it I'm sorry

2686
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:47,920
what does the report Griffin report

2687
01:54:57,130 --> 01:54:49,650
[Music]

2688
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:01,600
thank you so anyway thank you Cobra and

2689
01:55:05,870 --> 01:55:02,850
one-one

2690
01:55:08,590 --> 01:55:05,880
you know you know we know you're here

2691
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:08,600
that we know you're getting the message

2692
01:55:19,370 --> 01:55:16,320
yep against the wall get your decoder

2693
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:19,380
ring yeah right right and that's a

2694
01:55:27,980 --> 01:55:21,570
reference to a movie that was very

2695
01:55:31,970 --> 01:55:27,990
popular right Don Allen Adham

2696
01:55:33,610 --> 01:55:31,980
thank you very much any time over any

2697
01:55:35,630 --> 01:55:33,620
bridges chiming huh

2698
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:35,640
yeah the causeway you have to go home

2699
01:55:40,250 --> 01:55:38,850
over no no no that's not much of a

2700
01:55:41,630 --> 01:55:40,260
breeze okay we'll go the back way and

2701
01:55:43,220 --> 01:55:41,640
then you have the Chain Bridge if you

2702
01:55:45,470 --> 01:55:43,230
decide you're gonna it's not good

2703
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:45,480
quality that same bridge just scare me

2704
01:55:48,530 --> 01:55:46,650
at this point I've heard

2705
01:55:51,020 --> 01:55:48,540
much about chain bridge is not making it

2706
01:55:53,780 --> 01:55:51,030
so anyway so thank you everyone for

2707
01:55:58,490 --> 01:55:53,790
being the energy to the show and until

2708
01:56:00,410 --> 01:55:58,500
next week this is Mack Maloney for um

2709
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:00,420
for the gang saying thanks for joining